FridgeFreezer Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 What he said ^^^ the V8 is grunty from idle and doesn't have to spin a turbo up to achieve power. You can notice a difference in the way people tackle hills, the TDi's take a run up with lots of revs on to keep the turbo spinning, and fail if it drops off boost. The V8's start at the bottom, put their foot down and usually just go up with minimum fuss. If you need more power, you push the skinny pedal harder and it gives you more power. Also, aside from electrical gremlins the V8's seem to be a more reliable and cheaper to fix engine - just count how many head gaskets, timing belts, heads, etc. the TDi boys seem to get through. As long as you change the oil & filter regularly the V8's seem to just go on forever. Within our club, I can list a heap of people who've had major problems with their TDi's in the last twelve months. I can't think of any V8's that have gone wrong. In fairness I had to do the crank oil seal on mine after Bunny Lane, which took half an hour and about £3 for the seal. I would have to disagree with Ian about the cost of fixing a V8, as his rebuild was superb but on the spendy side. If you're content to buy stock bits from Paddocks and the like there's nothing on a V8 that will cost you money to fix. Even some of the uprated bits are not spendy because the engines are so popular. My uncle had an old and well-worn V8 RR for a while that ran badly and had low oil pressure, he spent around £50 on bits and had it running like a sewing machine. Orangutan - I'd be loath to get rid of an engine that's had that much attention lavished on it, if you can find the fault (was it just a carp hose?) you should be able to make a decision about fixing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingerlandy Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 I have off roaded a V8 powered SIII and what it lost in axle articulation got away with due to the power of the V8. I am currently building Hybrid and this also is powered by the V8. Go with the V8 just for the noise it makes and the fact that you will smiling from ear to ear when you put your foot down!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 I like my 8's and that's no secret but Mr Warn took my RRC for a drive round bunny lane and he commented on how controllable it was last year I cooked the engine due to a faulty temp gauge and a perished heater hose split while towing a 6.2m caravan on the way to last years LRW. I still drove it home on the shot engine from the show. I had it fully rebuilt with gas flowed and ported replacement heads fitted for £1100. I can't complain about repair cost of a 107,000 engine 4.2v8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathtub Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 [ as for the V8 - all show and no go. Far too much emphasis on loads of noise, bellowing exhaust and chucking clods of mud around with wheels spinning wildly... pah! What ever TDI can spin 44s then can it dont tar us all with the same brush Why not a compromise if you like a Alloy Twin Turbo V8 Diesel only down side i can see is you get away from electrics with the diesel then go back to them with the twin turbo diesel setup. I am looking at a Duramax in the new truck but the electrics seem to outway the LS7 option .The diesel is around the same BHP the torque is about 100 more & it will give back 30% more economy . Either will spin 44s or drive up a bank at tick over . The bit i cant understand is why you would want to anyway ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangutan Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 What he said ^^^ the V8 is grunty from idle and doesn't have to spin a turbo up to achieve power. You can notice a difference in the way people tackle hills, the TDi's take a run up with lots of revs on to keep the turbo spinning, and fail if it drops off boost. The V8's start at the bottom, put their foot down and usually just go up with minimum fuss. If you need more power, you push the skinny pedal harder and it gives you more power.Also, aside from electrical gremlins the V8's seem to be a more reliable and cheaper to fix engine - just count how many head gaskets, timing belts, heads, etc. the TDi boys seem to get through. As long as you change the oil & filter regularly the V8's seem to just go on forever. Within our club, I can list a heap of people who've had major problems with their TDi's in the last twelve months. I can't think of any V8's that have gone wrong. In fairness I had to do the crank oil seal on mine after Bunny Lane, which took half an hour and about £3 for the seal. I would have to disagree with Ian about the cost of fixing a V8, as his rebuild was superb but on the spendy side. If you're content to buy stock bits from Paddocks and the like there's nothing on a V8 that will cost you money to fix. Even some of the uprated bits are not spendy because the engines are so popular. My uncle had an old and well-worn V8 RR for a while that ran badly and had low oil pressure, he spent around £50 on bits and had it running like a sewing machine. Orangutan - I'd be loath to get rid of an engine that's had that much attention lavished on it, if you can find the fault (was it just a carp hose?) you should be able to make a decision about fixing it. Thanks FF - I went to try out a couple of alternatives today at Shardlow 4X4 (good dealer by the way - honest and seem to actually care!). Drove a chipped Td5 - nice car but just could not get over the sound nor the wait for power to arrive as the turbo spooled up. Came back from that and took a 50th Anniversary out - wonderful ride and sound, very civilised for a Defender and confirmed to me that I prefer the V8 anyday. However I could not imagine me offroading in the 50th - would be gutted to scratch it and that pearlescent paint would be hell to touch in! And you were right (as was my best mate who seems to have an almost psychic ability to diagnose issues from 200 miles away!!) - it was a hose down near the manifold. The drama of the "explosion" was caused by the fact that the water spewed out all over the hot manifold - could not see the car for steam at one point. Sounds like that was the only issue though and my engine has escaped damage -PHEW! So I get it back on Saturday with new hose and also an Optima Yellow Top battery as the one in it turned out to be a duff new one but, just in case there is a drain, Shardlow are fitting an isolator switch for me as well! Great service! Happy again...until it breaks that is! Cheers for the advice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 [as for the V8 - all show and no go. Far too much emphasis on loads of noise, bellowing exhaust and chucking clods of mud around with wheels spinning wildly... pah! What ever TDI can spin 44s then can it dont tar us all with the same brush Why not a compromise if you like a Alloy Twin Turbo V8 Diesel only down side i can see is you get away from electrics with the diesel then go back to them with the twin turbo diesel setup. I am looking at a Duramax in the new truck but the electrics seem to outway the LS7 option .The diesel is around the same BHP the torque is about 100 more & it will give back 30% more economy . Either will spin 44s or drive up a bank at tick over . The bit i cant understand is why you would want to anyway ??? So there is now a win win compromise. Overfinch recon they can get more out of the TDV8 than the supercharged V8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need4speed Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Yep. TDV8 would be awesome....However compared to a good RV8 its going to be mega ££££££ for many a year, to stick one of them in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cipx2 Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 Why not this sort of V8? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimfoo Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 Why not this sort of V8? Someone should be shot!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hiatt Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 I am looking at a Duramax in the new truck but the electrics seem to outway the LS7 option .The diesel is around the same BHP the torque is about 100 more & it will give back 30% more economy .Either will spin 44s or drive up a bank at tick over . The bit i cant understand is why you would want to anyway ??? The LS7 has a fair bit more bhp and at less than 200kg I would have thought a fair bit lighter, and revs to over 7000 maintaining over 400 lb/ft across the band. Loom, ECU and throttle are available for about $1500 to allow it to run as a stand alone engine. Oh, and factory dry sumped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzaz Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 TOOOO much! LS7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need4speed Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 now that is awesome.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 If the 4.6 ever goes bang I'll be making a call to the USA I think, that is just pornographic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzaz Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 If the 4.6 ever goes bang I'll be making a call to the USA I think, that is just pornographic. better not go bang then...or you'll be making one of your most expensive phone calls!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 A crated LS lump from the states costs considerably less than tuning anything Rover made, and they make more power, in the same space, same weight, and have to (by law) run for 150,000 miles and still pass the California emissions test, so they're quite reliable That said it'd be a toss up between the brute force of an LS and the daftness of a Skyline RB26DETT lump... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smo Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 So there is now a win win compromise. Overfinch recon they can get more out of the TDV8 than the supercharged V8 Which is all well and good, except that the TDV8 was tuned-DOWN by LR because they were having trouble finding transmission and axle components to take the massive torque without having huge reliability problems from stripped gears and broken shafts.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 If the 4.6 ever goes bang I'll be making a call to the USA I think, that is just pornographic. That will be after you recover from your 'heavy blow on the head' from me for grenading the engine I put together for you Sorry I have been so long replying, I have only just stopped sniggering from the reading of how a DDF beats a V8 in the "Happiness stakes" Help speed up the developement / replacement to fossil fuels - have a F HUGE carbon foot print with a V8......... and do your bit for the future Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkw90 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 v8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimfoo Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Since we are backwards from each other, you lot should ship all your Diesels over here, and we can ship our V8's over there. Then everyone will be happy. :lol: In fact, I have a nice 350 out of my race car I've been trying to get rid of. No one here seems to want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cipx2 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Dont forget to ship the petrol (gasoline) as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Sadly in all seriousness DDFs have come on leaps and bounds over the last years Whilst they still sound like a cross between a west indian steel band tunning up and a tractor the power outputs can now be seriously impressive. My Daily Driver is a Merc C class (Oooer flash git wiv yer C class get you - yes I know - nice to do 40-50,000 PA in tho ) and its a petrol. I drove the Diesel (Oh my god I typed the D word ) and it was FAR quicker than my petrol, it was also around £4000 more which priced it out of my allowance. My old bioss has one, he says the fuel consumption if booted is marginally better than the old (mine) petrol he had, but CHRIST does it go. However, back to LRs and 4x4. a 200 300 or TD5 are good engines (well the 200/300 are the Td5s and the flybywire nonsense ....) can do huge mileages if looked after, and do the job well enough for most who wnat them as daily drivers and off road use, but they don't stack up in competitions such as Comp safaris and speed events like a decent V8, for RTVs the V8 can be both a plus and a minus, for challenge events a DDF has a HUGE Edge over V8 if water shows itself (megasquirt anyone ?) but DDF just don't have the grin factor BHP / Torque and lastly the pure loverley sound of a Nice V8, a bigger and tunned V8 even better You can of course tune your tractor, .............thats called a London Taxi Seriously for POWERFULL DDFs then the LR range is out with the exception of the V8DDFs but to get those to run you'll need some seriosu skills. having typed something positive around DDFs I will now just nip out and start the Eales to heal the damage Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolihullBeast Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 avoid the n/a diesel, from my experience very sluggish gutless engines, especially off road Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoLandRover Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 No doubt V8,.. why? Why TF not! it's allready a costly hobby,....so make it the most pleasant you can! that's where the LPG comes in combined with a tax exrmpt classic vehicle. CHEERS RolandRover http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Album=TLQCICKI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 problem is that no tax exempt V8 vehicles exist. any tax exempt vehicle with a V8 is actually an illegal, uninsured vehicle that is also tax dodging- i don't like the reality that this is fact, but it doesn't change the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Bar Cowboy Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Not if you live in the Netherlands............ Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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