Daniel TD5 Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 out side asda with all the xmas goodies in the back. thick freezing fog all loaded off we go won't start again turns over half a turn and jams up tryed loads of times half a turn only after ringing land rover i try again starts up any idears its had a new clutch last week starter motor us ? dam thing on call over xmas getting very fed up now dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Baldwin Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Flywheel broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 You don't seem to be having much luck with this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel TD5 Posted December 22, 2007 Author Share Posted December 22, 2007 the next booking is the 14th of jan 2008 i hope its starts as i am on call this next week they had the gear box out last week would they not spot broken fly wheel ? not much luck at all dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRWOO Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 I've done some googling on this and if you look for Dual Mass Clutch Faults on the Ford Transit you will find no end of information on it, unfortunately it looks like this problem may have also have been inherited by our new Defender's. Look at the statement on the bootom right of this page. http://www.autoelectro.co.uk/bulletins/AE%...bulletin-08.pdf Are there any Transit drivers out there that no (experienced) any more about this issue? Rich.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 I know the later transits were right piles of cr*p made down to a price you wouldn't believe possible. Aparrently later on they even made the brake master cylinder out of plastic Shame really as they're good at churning out reliable stuff until the accountants get involved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel TD5 Posted January 2, 2008 Author Share Posted January 2, 2008 thanks mr woo its booked in for the 14th the fitted anew gear box and clutch before xmas they said just clutch but i can't see the engineer cleaning all the wax off the old one dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Baldwin Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Flywheel failure is already a known problem on Puma Defender according to my sources in the know. From your initial description of your fault your dealer knows exactly what's the problem is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRWOO Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Flywheel failure is already a known problem on Puma Defender according to my sources in the know. From your initial description of your fault your dealer knows exactly what's the problem is! Do you know whether this is an intermittent fault between vehicles or will it happen at some point to all Puma Defender's? (fingers crossed you dont say it will affect all Puma Defenders) Also, do you know whether Land Rover are replacing the parts with ones that dont go wrong? cheers PS for those that want to know a bit more about DFM (Dual Mass Flywheels) go here: http://www.cdxetextbook.com/trans/clutchMa...sflywheels.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimAttrill Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 A very interesting link. It somehow failed to mention that Dual Mass Flywheels fall to bits quite often, certainly more often than the old clutch driven plates with the springs in. So much for progress (backwards). And every time you change the clutch plate on a normal (read old-fashioned) car, you get new springs and things. Once you have had to explain the huge repair bill to a TD5 owner because his modern flywheel fell to bits, one loses faith in modern car design which seems to be in the favour of the manufacturer rather than the poor git who gives them money for a load of old (sorry, new) rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Baldwin Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 You'll get a new flywheel fitted under warranty for sure. Whether it's a 'new improved' flywheel design, I doubt it given it's a still a widespread problem on the Transit and has already established itself as a 'problem' on a car that's only been on sale for approx 6-months! As Jim has said, Dual Mass flywheel failure isn't specific to 07 LR's, but on anything that uses a DMF, be it a LR (Td5), Transit or your regular family saloon/hatchback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Rakeway do an all steel replacement flywheel for Td5's, wonder if they'll do one for a puma? i wonder what the difference (if any?) would be from swapping from a dual mass to a solid one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Flywheel failure is already a known problem on Puma Defender according to my sources in the know. From your initial description of your fault your dealer knows exactly what's the problem is! Kev, I wouldn't bet on that. "Mine" ( ) hasn't been told anything about it and has just had a look on his GTR and been unable to find anything on there which mentions it at all. Would be interested in more info from your source in the know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel TD5 Posted January 3, 2008 Author Share Posted January 3, 2008 have changed my booking date to next wednesday no loan car but i want it sorted out. and rang land rover and had a go at them about my 07 defender failing to bits in less than 6000 miles lets see if they can fit a new fly wheel in a day dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Suddenly I feel quite smug about my decision to buy one of the last 300Tdis which is chugging away quite faithfully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Suddenly I feel quite smug about my decision to buy one of the last 300Tdis Suddenly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Suddenly? OK not really that sudden. It's mainly because the "waaaaaah" stories are just starting... bringing back fond memories of Td5 flywheels, 300Tdi timing belts, R380 mainshafts snapping, Td4 fuel pumps, TDV6 turbos and EGR valves, tra la la la la pick your own "first of line F up" from a long and distinguished list throughout history In fairness I have to say there have been any major problems with the Fraud motors here. Yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimAttrill Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 No major problems here, yet, apart from the driveshaft hitting the sump if you hit a larger than usual bump. And this is a Land Rover? Don't LR employ any engineers any more or is all their type testing done on that so-called 'off-road' course they have at the factory? Of course their excuse will be that you aren't allowed to drive off-road in the UK any more. They forget there is a big world out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bell-Auto-Services Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 The Puma engine DONT use the dual mass flywheel like the transit, its fitted with a solid version just like on the transit upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRWOO Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 The Puma engine DONT use the dual mass flywheel like the transit, its fitted with a solid version just like on the transit upgrade. Well that's put an end to the discussion then. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q-rover Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 No major problems here, yet, apart from the driveshaft hitting the sump if you hit a larger than usual bump. And this is a Land Rover? Don't LR employ any engineers any more or is all their type testing done on that so-called 'off-road' course they have at the factory? But it only happens on LHD models. All the test fleet were probably RHD models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimAttrill Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 Ah, so that's why it has only happened in Italy and Germany. Surely some of the test models were LHD? Though maybe they weren't driven with enough vooma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_air_162 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 out side asda with all the xmas goodies in the back. thick freezing fog all loaded off we go won't start again turns over half a turn and jams up tryed loads of times half a turn only after ringing land rover i try again starts up any idears its had a new clutch last week starter motor us ? dam thing on call over xmas getting very fed up now dan Mine does this when the immobilser cuts in. If you lock the car and wait 20 seconds then unlock it using the remote, it should start first time. It seems to come in after a delay between unlocking the car and starting her up. Guess you've already thought about this though, right ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 I'm very happy with my old 200Tdi tractor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 No major problems here, yet, apart from the driveshaft hitting the sump if you hit a larger than usual bump. And this is a Land Rover? Don't LR employ any engineers any more or is all their type testing done on that so-called 'off-road' course they have at the factory?Of course their excuse will be that you aren't allowed to drive off-road in the UK any more. They forget there is a big world out there. But it only happens on LHD models. All the test fleet were probably RHD models. i Have heard about this and that LR were bringing out a revised sump from Oct 07, but cant remember where i read it. anyone else know anything about it. Plus does it only effect LHDs? arent the props and sump in the same positions on RHD and LHD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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