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My mate is currently driving to the alps in a 110 with 300tdi/r380 combo towing on an a frame a 90 with td/77s? combo.

He no has "no clutch" on the 110.

No fluid loss

Unlikely to be clutch fork as it was ok when the engine was out less than 6000miles ago

The 110 is loaded with luggage including a washing machine and wood burner, so towing the 110 with the 90 is not a good option.

So the question is

Are the slave and master cylinders likely to be the same for both cars?

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My mate is currently driving to the alps in a 110 with 300tdi/r380 combo towing on an a frame a 90 with td/77s? combo.

He no has "no clutch" on the 110.

No fluid loss

Unlikely to be clutch fork as it was ok when the engine was out less than 6000miles ago

The 110 is loaded with luggage including a washing machine and wood burner, so towing the 110 with the 90 is not a good option.

So the question is

Are the slave and master cylinders likely to be the same for both cars?

Unlikely.

I've not checked with the parts manual, but off the top of my head I think at least the slaves are different - and I also believe that the threads (as in hydraulics) are different.

Does the clutch "pump up" - suggesting failed master cyl? Does he have drive - if he starts in gear, will the vehicle move? Not ideal, but still possible to drive like this. If no drive, suggests clutch plate failure - engine / gearbox out I'm afraid.

Towing the 110 is not a good option, but still possible if most of the luggage is swapped to the 90 to sort out the weight distribution.

Sorry can't be of more help.

Cheers,

Matt

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Yep Paddocks website quotes MC same and slave different. However the other 3 websites I checked show no difference in the slave.

At the moment the car is driving(and towing) fine but they'll get to a peage sooner or later and have to start crashing the gears again.

they are going here

MrSki

near(ish) Geneva

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My mate is currently driving to the alps in a 110 with 300tdi/r380 combo towing on an a frame a 90 with td/77s? combo.

He no has "no clutch" on the 110.

No fluid loss

Unlikely to be clutch fork as it was ok when the engine was out less than 6000miles ago

The 110 is loaded with luggage including a washing machine and wood burner, so towing the 110 with the 90 is not a good option.

So the question is

Are the slave and master cylinders likely to be the same for both cars?

Hate to suggest the obvious but easily overlooked!

Is the high/low range lever accidentally in neutral?

John

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Yep Paddocks website quotes MC same and slave different. However the other 3 websites I checked show no difference in the slave.

At the moment the car is driving(and towing) fine but they'll get to a peage sooner or later and have to start crashing the gears again.

they are going here

MrSki

near(ish) Geneva

Best ask Michele if you need a LRdealer in those parts. (remember everything takes 2 days in Italy though so getting parts could take time!)

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hate to be the doom and gloom merchant...

But sounds like a clutch fork to me.......

If there is no clutch and the fluid levels are ok it would indicate that the hydrallics are fine.

Is the pedal stuck to the floor?

Or has the pedal gone rock solid?

If its done either then, It's still the clutch fork or the center has burnt out of the release bearing so there is no leverage on the clutch cover.

Sorry mate, but it's gearbox out for you :(

NEVER EVER put back a clutch fork even if at first inspection it looks ok.

ALWAYS replace with a new item.

Clutch master cylinders are the same for ALL S111 and Defender models.

Clutch slaves vary on engine type and year.

Some 300's did use the same slave as the earlier lt77 shod vehicles.

Hope this helps

Jim :)

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a landy driving mate of mine lives in Lausanne but its on the other side of lots of mountains

and a lake from 'mr ski'.

Best bet is to dump the 110 at the bottom of the final slopes and go up to the chalet in the 90, then use the 90 to get spares/help after a good nights rest. Theres a good landy garage between Lausanne and Geneva.

Anyway, snow conditions aren't exactly brilliant! :ph34r:

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Les Gets is part of the Morzine/Avoriaz 'portes du soleil' ski area in Haute Savoie/Switzerland, I'm in Savoie although basically in between the 2 [in fact in Savoie although the North of it] is a town called Ugine, on the direct road from Morzine to Albertville, it's quite a quick journey under normal conditions as they upgraded all the roads for the 1992 Olympics. In Ugine, there's one roundabout. 50 yards from the roundabout, in the Chamonix/Morzine direction, is a driveway on the right, it leads down to a garage called garage duMoulin. M. duMoulin is highly praised on the French forum I read, I've spoken to him re: work I've been thinking of doing to my LR's, he seems very reasonable, not greedy at all [he's given me pointers as to ways I could save cash rather than pushing for work], certainly seems to know his business, I'd say give him a call at the very least, should be in the national telephone directory, check it for free at most post offices on Minitel.

I may be persuadable to assist, although it's quite a hike from here, plus once he's unloaded the 110, making the journeys up the mountain in the 90, there's a good chance that simply standing at the side of the road with a tow rope in hand could produce assistance from all the traybacks that are driving up the mountain at this time of year, although let me know in case; I think my n/a d would make the tow without difficulty, providing speed is not critical!

There are LR garages in Albertville, + a bigger one in Chambery, although there may be one in Annecy too/ others closer to him.

On searching the French forum, I've got a name in Annecy, SFD Annecy [there's SFD Lyon too, according to how far he gets] who are apparently good Land Rover specialists, praise from several people.

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They're still going! Now near Dijon which is over halfway.

Will probably uncouple around Bourg en Bresse when it gets a bit hilly. Then the 110 should be able to get most places in 3rd. If worst comes to worst the 90 can tow the 110 up the mountain in lowbox. There's a couple of real steep bits on the last run to the chalet. I think the 90 will struggle with what must be 5T total train weight!

I think Mally has been to see Mr DuMoulin last year when he had fueling problems.

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