Turbo Diesel's - Opinions

[M005]

I have got the general impression that these are to be avoided, but would a new TD (Turners) engine stand up to offroading sufficiently to warrant consideration?

Apparently there are bills for ~£2.5K+ for engine & fitting, & the whole truck (F plate 90) is being offered for £3K, with MOT & warranty.

[BoatBuoy]

I like my TD. Doesn't have the torque of the Tdi, but why follow the masses. If you don't thrape it to within an inch of its life it might last. Lifespan of 80'000 miles. £2.5k ? that'd buy you 2 or 3 decent 200tdi lumps that would.

[SimonPearson]

Nothing wrong with the TD engine if built by Turners and looked after - I've had 2 of them and wasn't displeased with either.

More to the point though - the rest of the car would have to be very, very good indeed to warrant spending £3k on it.

[mpb]

My TD when I had it, had done over 120k that's plus winching (mechanical) for the water board.

It still pulled like a horse when I sold it, and it was fitted with a disco transfer box.

The only thing I found with it, was the temp always read just under the red.

Martin

1996 Defender 90

[Happyoldgit]

The last one I had years ago snapped it's crankshaft just after No. 1 main.

Just to balance up the discussion

[siggy]

my first landy was a td it was totally abused when I bought it

dropped its oil 60 miles after I bought it

replacement engine was badly worn fitted by the garage I bought it from eventually had it rebuilt after 6 years of ownership

only sold it because to get it though its last MOT would of took to much time and too much money engine was slow but steady

also my turned over like it had a flat battery even though everything was new or renewed?

[white90]

rearrange to suit:

pole ten wouldn't a touch foot one barge with.

after a 300TDI you'll sadly regret it

not for the first time either

[mpb]

I forgot to say mine didn't like start on a cold winters morning. Lots of cranking, even with lots of heater plugs. Not like the 300TDi Ive got now, no glow plug touch the starter and it bursts into life.

Martin

1996 Defender 90

[siggy]

my was like that all year round

[western]

My old TD engine went well, much better than the n/a diesel I test drove anyway, if it's looked after with on time oil/air/diesel filter changes and it doesn't get thrashed while being driven, it should see 100,000+ miles easily --- but the suffer from heat stress due to not having an intercooler, so it will die at some point, I don't believe it's worth spending that much on a TD, you'd be much better off with a Tdi

[honitonhobbit]

When you talk to people in the know, you will find that very few TD's ever die. They leak, seep and weep but depsite huge abuse the struggle on. Re-built ones with a 'cooler are as powerful as a Tdi and quieter, with none of the old niggles.

The V8 is actually the most unreliable LR lump, closely followed by the 300Tdi and the TD5 with the 200Tdi, the TD and th 2.5NA being the top dogs for reliability.

A local indi LR specialist has re-built 3 TD's in 16 years of working on LR's yet he has lost count of the V8 re-builds and the 300Tdi head works he has done.

[Exmoor Beast]

I have only ever known very good TDs and I have known a lot, all abused by farming types.

JB, Exmoor Doo Daa chap, had an awesome one that outpulled a lot of TDi's.

As with any engine look at condition not age.

Don't dismiss a TD on reputation, they can be good. Just be sure.

Having said that that I would have a 200TDi every time

Will

[Les Henson]

I'm putting a 2.5TD in catflapII. It was blowing oil into the air filter, but it's been hammered many times, so it's hardly surprising. I intend to replace the rings and see how it runs, then if necessary, do a full re-build.

This is a good engine to put in an 88", and will pull it like a train.

Les. B)

[white90]

just to level my post. I have only ever seen poxy old ones that need replacing anyways.

maybe with an intercooler they are ok, I don't know.

But M005 I'm sure you'd regret it after the superb 90 you have currently

[Millsy]

I had a TD 90.

It had 134,000 miles on the original engine, pulled really well, would sit at 70mph all day, started from cold with 20 seconds of heat and after that it would start just touching the key. I think at that mileage she was getting on a bit and getting smokier and smokier though.

My best mate's 90 cracked all four pistons and the head though, was flat out at 60 and a poor starter.

[M005]

"not for the first time either"

"But M005 I'm sure you'd regret it after the superb 90 you have currently"

Thats exactly what the voices in my head have been telling me

With the company car going back, plan is to get the Sandbag a car and have the LR as just an offroad toy, hence why trying to consider all options.

Previously I had tried to get a cheapish offroader (& suceeded) but also a good daily driver (failed miserably ) and only achieved both with the current 90

[B90]

I too had a 90TD.

It would reach 55MPH given long enough run up, (say bout 7 miles).

Eventually cracked the head.

Swapped in a 200 TDi.

Now have a smile on my face every time I sit behind the wheel!

[reads90]

I have got the general impression that these are to be avoided, but would a new TD (Turners) engine stand up to offroading sufficiently to warrant consideration?

Apparently there are bills for ~£2.5K+ for engine & fitting, & the whole truck (F plate 90) is being offered for £3K, with MOT & warranty.

The Td's were a good engine untill they got to about 70,000 to 80,000 then they juts gave up. Main reason is they are the 2.25 diesel bored out to the 2.5 diesel N/A and then they decided to wack a turbo on it. So they go for so long and then go bang. I have know loads of people who have had this problem and they have had the truck fixed and no problems later. So if the engine has been done then i would go for it as it sounds ok to me. But remeber it will be slower than the TDi but there again you get what you pay for

Buy it if you have problems with the engine then swap it for a tdi later

PS

was arguing with a chap a while ago who told me he had done 75,000 mile in his TD with no problems and the engine was going strong, and i was talking carp. Saw him 6 months later in the garage where he was having his engine rebuilt at 81,000 miles. I am sorry but i had to laugh

[Lars L]

First post on the new forum, and it's a correction

The N/A and Td are not a bored out version of the 2,25. Instead, a new crank made the stroke longer. Which in turn also added some more torque and stamina compared with the old 'un.

Am i right, or am I right? B)

[reads90]

First post on the new forum, and it's a correction

The N/A and Td are not a bored out version of the 2,25. Instead, a new crank made the stroke longer. Which in turn also added some more torque and stamina compared with the old 'un.

Am i right, or am I right? B)

Yeah ok you are right same as the 3.5 V8 and The 3.9 V8

[Mark90]

Except a 3.9 is a bored out 3.5 (might have a longer stroke too, can't remember for sure but don't think it has)

4.2, 4.6 etc are stroked 3.9's

[reads90]

Except a 3.9 is a bored out 3.5 (might have a longer stroke too, can't remember for sure but don't think it has)

4.2, 4.6 etc are stroked 3.9's

eeerrrr not what they told me in the factory , same block on both of them.

Made my self look an idiot when asked them how they knew which was which block only to be looked at strangley and told they are the same but the stoke is differant

[nas90]

Quote:- The V8 is actually the most unreliable LR lump, closely followed by the 300Tdi and the TD5 with the 200Tdi, the TD and th 2.5NA being the top dogs for reliability.

Er no! I Had a Rover 3500S which after 160,000 miles the bodywork fell apart the gearbox lost 1st and 3rd the V8 only needed top gear from 10mph to 120mph. The NAS (3.9 with dizzy) has 85,000 miles the engine was drowned in France 5 years ago, emptied, 3 filter and 3 oil changes and back running, abused off-road but regularly serviced and oil changed every 6000 miles good as gold (touching wood!) Now which is the most reliable LR lump?

[Mark90]

Except a 3.9 is a bored out 3.5 (might have a longer stroke too, can't remember for sure but don't think it has)

4.2, 4.6 etc are stroked 3.9's

eeerrrr not what they told me in the factory , same block on both of them.

Made my self look an idiot when asked them how they knew which was which block only to be looked at strangley and told they are the same but the stoke is differant

3.5's have a bore of 88.9mm and 3.9's have a bore of 94mm, both have a stroke of 71.1mm, the 4.2 is 94mm bore and 77mm stroke and the 4.6 is 94mm by 82mm.

The only 'factory' V8 to use a long stroke crank in a small bore block was the Aus 4.4

I guess the bloke at the factory didn't know what he was talking about

See here for all the info.

[honitonhobbit]

Quote:- The V8 is actually the most unreliable LR lump, closely followed by the 300Tdi and the TD5 with the 200Tdi, the TD and th 2.5NA being the top dogs for reliability.

Er no! I Had a Rover 3500S which after 160,000 miles the bodywork fell apart the gearbox lost 1st and 3rd the V8 only needed top gear from 10mph to 120mph. The NAS (3.9 with dizzy) has 85,000 miles the engine was drowned in France 5 years ago, emptied, 3 filter and 3 oil changes and back running, abused off-road but regularly serviced and oil changed every 6000 miles good as gold (touching wood!) Now which is the most reliable LR lump?

Er yes...

you just had a good one!

Actually I was just quoting readily available figures and information.

My 200Tdi has over 200K on it and has never failed so far! Just because it has been rebuilt twice and is on it's second head doesn't mean it's unreliable - does it?

An engine is what you make of it and what you develope with or without TLC so there is no point arguing about who has the best.