Scotian Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 No one here seems to like them.. More than that. some people seem to be on a bit of a hate campagne against them. I dont get it. I know there prices are pretty high... but I thought the product was top notch? Please explain what I'm missing Notice I didnt write their name.. didnt want to get banned for swearing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Have a read here, http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?s=&s...st&p=161910 then report back Their like Hilter, but without the charm and kindness - I dealt with them once - just the once that was enough for me The X Eng Saga sadly didn't suprise me after my dealings I don't hate them - I just won't deal with them, thats the choice I have where I spend my money Nige Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkw90 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 I have been there once and found them to be rude , and when i am spending my hard earned cash i expect a bit more . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotian Posted February 17, 2008 Author Share Posted February 17, 2008 Everything is clear. Thanks and sorry for starting a new post about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 don't apologise Scotian- you can mention Scorpion without any problems, just don't profess to actually using them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Scorpion have no one to blame but themselves for the feelings on this site and others. You'll see the same kind of comments on forums like MudClub, Landrovernet, Difflock etc too If they didn't repeatedly rip off companies that they were in partnership with they wouldn't have the reputation they have. If they see no harm in taking the sponsorpship/marketing budgets in one hand from companies like Equipe, Staun, X-eng etc whilst on the other hand going behind their backs to rip-off their designs and source a copy directly at a cheaper price then that's their problem. A number of people have said, grow up that's business, but a lot of people don't like buying off deeply unethical companies and it's their perogative to voice that in forums like this. As a result these feelings spill over into the products they sell and it is why people get slated for promoting Scorpion. Some of their sourced products are good, some mediocre and some have had questionable QA, but then so have most other 4x4 suppliers. It's their business ethics that let them down and tarnished their reputation. Cheers Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honitonhobbit Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I find them useful for scourcing interesting products, then finding the supplier and buying direct or blatantly copying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheeppimp Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I find them useful for scourcing interesting products, then finding the supplier and buying direct or blatantly copying seems like poetic justice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I was going to say that ref: Steve's comment, they do occasionally sell good/clever stuff but it's almost always made by someone else anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I was going to say that ref: Steve's comment, they do occasionally sell good/clever stuff but it's almost always made by someone else anyway Perhaps there closet Chinese, brilliant at copying but useless at original design/conceptual thinking. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I sreviced a very nice TD5 90 today. The owner WAS going to buy a lot of stuff from them Les. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smo Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Whilst their ethics may well be lacking in some areas, business is business, you cant copyright an idea, and if you don't patent a product it WILL get copied, doesn't matter if its Scorpion or someone else, it always happens in every area of business. If you look at the world of engineering and product development almost nothing is actually new, its just a rehash, copy or evolution of something someone has previously designed....its life im afraid. Thus said i don't advocate some of their "practices". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I sreviced a very nice TD5 90 today. The owner WAS going to buy a lot of stuff from them Les. admirable Les, however, you failed to point out that they won't be able to call it Extreme if they buy elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hiatt Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Surely this isn't a copy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Surely this isn't a copy? Hmmmmm........ They do occasionally have some great products - but I tend to do like Mr Hobbit too. Si Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shackleton Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Whilst their ethics may well be lacking in some areas, business is business, you cant copyright an idea, and if you don't patent a product it WILL get copied, doesn't matter if its Scorpion or someone else, it always happens in every area of business. Was thinking exactly the same thing but didn't wanna post cause it seems like a dead issue here and didn't wanna drag it up again. Now that I'm here though I did see on Charlie Boormans Dakar DVD, his crew had problems with the company in question - but then they had sold their souls to BMW and as a consequence were using X5s as back up vehicles Did you see the things that broke - repeatedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Surely this isn't a copy? What a surprise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromit Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Surely this isn't a copy? What about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 you could post their product range no surprise really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Train Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Perhaps there closet Chinese, brilliant at copying but useless at original design/conceptual thinking.John Ahem! We're not all like that, some of us Chinese do come up with original ideas. My three speed transfer box must be a one and only, for shear weight if nothing else! I have to come up with a new idea/concept every month for my MSc, its getting tough though. Must start looking into patents soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smo Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Ahem! We're not all like that, some of us Chinese do come up with original ideas. My three speed transfer box must be a one and only, for shear weight if nothing else! I have to come up with a new idea/concept every month for my MSc, its getting tough though. Must start looking into patents soon. A word of advice, whatever you produce when at uni, keep ALL good ideas, products, inventions and anything worth more than 1p away from the uni, they will have a clause in the "student contract" that screws you out of every right to anything you come up with - they are even bigger thieving b@stards than scorpion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Obviously one shouldn't generalise about the Chinese copying things, someone told me there's no copyright law in China? We have some Chinese kit at work, in the early software release for some reason the message "Copyright Cisco Systems" had crept in not very subtle about that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Train Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 A word of advice, whatever you produce when at uni, keep ALL good ideas, products, inventions and anything worth more than 1p away from the uni, they will have a clause in the "student contract" that screws you out of every right to anything you come up with - they are even bigger thieving b@stards than scorpion! Cheers for the advice. I did ask quite frankly and there was a major discussion about it and the Uni has no rights to any thing the students come up with as long as members of staff have had no major input into the development of the idea. Anything the staff do will, of course, belong to the Uni. I just need to check what happens with regards to my thesis ideas. I guess I did copy a very British Scammell when I built my 6x6 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smo Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Cheers for the advice. I did ask quite frankly and there was a major discussion about it and the Uni has no rights to any thing the students come up with as long as members of staff have had no major input into the development of the idea. Anything the staff do will, of course, belong to the Uni.I just need to check what happens with regards to my thesis ideas. I guess I did copy a very British Scammell when I built my 6x6 though. Beware though, whilst they say they have no rights as long as staff have no major input, they will always claim major input as you use their resources, and have essentially been taught by the staff...many many people fall down with excellent projects being taken away and credit going to the uni, who then go on to sell it and make a fortune, screwing the students every time. (You might have gathered i hate this common practice of uni's stealing work!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Train Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Point taken, Smo, I will bear it in mind with anything with a hint of potential. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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