Ben Jordan Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 In your opinion which would be better for UK style winch comps? I am slowly upgrading the drive train and suspension of my RRC but regrettably one day the body will rot beyond economical repair. I was thinking when I end up with a good drive train and suspension without a body what will I do with it? Turn it into an Ibex or Tomcat! The next question is which one is better for winch comps, well I couldn't answer that one so over to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robhybrid Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 I think the Ibex is more practical as you can see out the back window and you can store things in the dry, but the Tom cat is lower and in my opinion looks prettyer. In the scorpion Racing AWDC challenge series A Ibex won overall but A tomcat didnt do too badly either In my opinion the tomcat is better suited to speed events Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Tomcat - speed events Ibex - challenge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shm Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Does the Tomcat have a lower centre of gravity than the Ibex? What about weight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted December 2, 2005 Author Share Posted December 2, 2005 I would imagine that the Ibex weighs quite a lot more than the Tomcat, But the central winch system of the Ibex has got to be a good advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 the only downside to the Ibex as I see it is panels damage otherwise that would be my choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michele Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Ibex. And when the challenge is over is more practical than a Bowler. I have yet to see one (Bowler) but I'd take an Ibex if I had the money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark90 Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 But the central winch system of the Ibex has got to be a good advantage. Unless you want to winch front and rear idependantly and at the same time. Given the same engine, transmission, suspension, winches etc and all prep'd and driven to the same standard then IMHO there really isn't much to choose between a tomcat, ibex or a 90, except wheelbase choice, weight differences and panel vulnerability. Personally I like Tomcats, or maye even a more basic version like the QT ones or early Bowlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharger Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 A carefully built Tomcat should be carrying less weight than anything else LR-based - so you'll drive to many more places than everyone else, meaning your challenge assault will be more effective despite the two winches you'll fit, rather than "because of" them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibexman Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 In your opinion which would be better for UK style winch comps?I am slowly upgrading the drive train and suspension of my RRC but regrettably one day the body will rot beyond economical repair. I was thinking when I end up with a good drive train and suspension without a body what will I do with it? Turn it into an Ibex or Tomcat! The next question is which one is better for winch comps, well I couldn't answer that one so over to you. Ibex i dont see a Tomcat as a daily driver my ibex weighs in at 1960KG without acage?? approach and departure angles are something to consider cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted December 3, 2005 Author Share Posted December 3, 2005 Chris, How much would it cost to build an Ibex if you already had a well sorted Range rover classic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted December 3, 2005 Author Share Posted December 3, 2005 Chris, PM returned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 For challenging I think an Ibex is superb. They're really, really tough along with being incredibly well built and thought out. However, a tomcat will be lighter and it amazes me how capable they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 Ben - a guy in our club has just built a Tomcat from a Disco, he took out a 5k bank loan and is now living on bread & water but he seems happy with it. IMHO an Ibex is stronger and has more practicality, but I'd choose a Tomcat because of the weight / COG / and yes, looks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honitonhobbit Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 Ben - a guy in our club has just built a Tomcat from a Disco, he took out a 5k bank loan and is now living on bread & water but he seems happy with it.IMHO an Ibex is stronger and has more practicality, but I'd choose a Tomcat because of the weight / COG / and yes, looks Ibex. But an original Bowler Special would be interesting, or a QT Ultra-light. If you have a good RR chassis and drive train, why not just build a 100" Hybrid? It is simple enough to fabricate the Bowler Special/Series 1 less than curvacious panels, make your own bulhead and use series wings. It would take the same time as re-building the Tomcat kit. Or just buy an engineless 90 and chuck on your drive train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted December 3, 2005 Author Share Posted December 3, 2005 I have looked at the QT Ultralight's and they would be a lot cheaper than an Ibex or Bowler. What model / wheelbase Ibex or Bowler would you have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibexman Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 I have looked at the QT Ultralight's and they would be a lot cheaper than an Ibex or Bowler.What model / wheelbase Ibex or Bowler would you have? THe Ibex challenge trucks are 250s kingcabs 100"pickup style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MogLite Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 With an Ibex, you'll need to get hold of a complete defender bulkhead, to strip off the pedals, column dash and loom etc. Obviously I'm biased But advantages of an Ibex over a Tomcat etc * Decent doors, and therefore the option of a warm dry cab * Option of station wagon/king cab * Awesome build quality * Cheap and easy to replace GRP wheelarches, all the rest is ali/galv * Will last a lifetime * Centre winch is pretty cool and useful on challenges * You get a new chassis Tomcat would be lighter, and has a ARC spec cage, whereas the Ibex has a spaceframe that the ARC can't get their head around Tomcat build quality.... I'm sure V8camel will be along in a minute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark90 Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 But an original Bowler Special would be interesting, or a QT Ultra-light. Is there an echo in here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted December 3, 2005 Author Share Posted December 3, 2005 Andy, When are you selling your Ibex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8CAMEL Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 helllo tomcat build quality is the pants but the looks are ace. if i started again i would start with a 90, make a rollcage and spaceframe and panel that to my spec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MogLite Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 Andy, When are you selling your Ibex? Ben Early in the New Year, let people recover from Christmas. I've got to get it MOT'd and tarted up for sale - nothing major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted December 3, 2005 Author Share Posted December 3, 2005 Ben Early in the New Year, let people recover from Christmas. I've got to get it MOT'd and tarted up for sale - nothing major. You told me that in 2004 and look i had to go out and buy the Wolf instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR90 Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 No ones mentioned the Dakar (Anika Rice grp buggy) or Traka (space frame with galv panels)? Personally I'd love to build a Bowler/Tomcat/QT on my Disco when it dies just cos they look so good. The Dakar looks fun and might be as capable but I'd be concerned about the repair costs. Blitz, well more down to earth and probaby more my style/budget at the end of the day. Ibex is probably the best choice but just not my thing and quality costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffg Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 No Contest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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