gelf Posted December 6, 2005 Share Posted December 6, 2005 currently got a 2.5 petrol in my Defender as a stop gap engine when my N/A diesel gave up...... but bits awful. so the 2 options ive got in my mind are a disco 200 tdi lump or an Isuzu. looking in the auto trader etc i can pick up a Trooper for one hell of a lot less money than a disco with a similar mileage......... iknow some of you will say its wrong to put a jap engine in but i have got to the stage now when i want to put in an engine which is going to last a few years. so what do we think about the isuzu route? most of these seem to have done 120k, so asuming its been maintained... what sort of life expectancy do they have?..... any down sides? all i want is something that will hold 60mph in 5th....and go up an incline without having to search for lower gears. or perhaps i should take the 35's off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mr_wuffles Posted December 6, 2005 Share Posted December 6, 2005 Wanna buy a 200 Tdi engine Or digger90 has an isuzu lump and fitting kit for sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Im biased - Isuzu minor fiddling and say hello to more power and more torque than a Landy for next to peanuts pennies wise. Lifespan of a 2.8 is measured in decades so 120k has just run in. I bought my last Isuzu engine with 210k on the clock before tuning it, no hassles. Add a £20 intercooler from a SAAB, a couple of silicone elbows and some minor (5 mins) tweeking to the pump, change the cam belt (record set at 3mins by Vince while smoking a fag) while the engine is out and enjoy. Best conversion kit is from CPE 01246 855520. The lump is 24" from front pulley to gearbox flange so it leaves plenty of room to play or bullnose. Spares are hugely expensive (cam belt £30 genuine, starter motor £90 genuine, oil filter £3, fuel filter £7 - the only real nasties are the turbo £3-500, or the alternator £350-400 but Ive never had an IHI (water & oil cooled) turbo fail or any alternator probs, the alternators have common parts with Vauxhall so a hunt round a breakers will save £'s if the worse does happen). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robhybrid Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 I run Izusu I made my own conversion plate for just under £100. Without intercooler I recon it performs better than std disco with. Only slight niggle ias the exhaust exits on wrong side of engine so it has to cross under gearbox. Insurance is slightly dearer as non std engine. My engine has heater plugs but I have yet to wire them in or use in 2 years. You can buy mot failed troopers with good engines for less than £500 I have 3 engines on the floor at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 theres on squeezed in my old snotter HERE The wife has a V8 but my new toy has another Isuzu in it Rob - do you cross your pipe at the back of the bellhousing? Ive used the glowplugs once, mind you it was a bit seasonal (minus 15 C) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelf Posted December 8, 2005 Author Share Posted December 8, 2005 what about the fly wheel and clutch...........isuppose i have to get the isuzu fly wheel drilled to take the defender clutch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonPearson Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 what about the fly wheel and clutch...........isuppose i have to get the isuzu fly wheel drilled to take the defender clutch? Nope - you use the Isuzu clutch with a Defender clutch plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 The Isuzu lump is solid. I ran mine for 3 days on a 30 mile round trip without any coolant before it seized, Then it was only bacause i was racing the nuts off it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Turner Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 I was thinkin about this swop But how will said engine perform with a V8/ 4spd auto, in my 88'' hi-brid. Dont want to lose the auto but think this engine may be better for challenge's, Yes i know what i said about a V8!! Les/Pig before you start It's the over heating problems in mud with a V8 Is there a fittig kit for the auto? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Brock Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 Yes i know what i said about a V8!! Les/Pig before you start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 Les, links not working, they go to Photobucket and it says 'page not found' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Turner Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Les, so thats what that thud was last night you ok now how's your head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Adrian, 2.8 Isuzu and V8 auto works fine. I've spoken to people who've done lots of these conversions and they never had any problems. Jez (Dollythelightweight) ran a V8 box in his yellow Pig and he never complained about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bush65 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I was thinkin about this swop But how will said engine perform with a V8/ 4spd auto, in my 88'' hi-brid. Dont want to lose the auto but think this engine may be better for challenge's, Yes i know what i said about a V8!! Les/Pig before you start It's the over heating problems in mud with a V8 Is there a fittig kit for the auto? Generally diesels produce their torque at lower revs and have a smaller rev band compared to petrol engines. IMHO you would want a lower stall speed torque converter to take advantage of the low speed engine torque. And probably have the shift valve modified so that gear changes suit the engine rev band. You have people in the UK that specialise in this - sorry I can't recall names (I'm sure Dave Ashcroft could do this, but I have heard recommendations of anther place). I have an Isuzu 4BD1-T (3.9 litre) in my range rover based bushie. These are great engines and the 4BD1 and 4BD1-T are used in the Aus military rovers. They are too much engine for rover transmissions however (the Aus military use modified LT95). I use the 6 speed Isuzu gearbox (from an Isuzu NPQ truck) and an Atlas t/case (LT230-T t/case would be strong enough). I haven't had much to do with the 2.8 litre Isuzu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR90 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I've destroyed a couple of 3.1 Izuzu engines if that's any help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Im assuming that the Isuzu lump is a lot smaller that a 200tdi ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelf Posted December 11, 2005 Author Share Posted December 11, 2005 yep...alittle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonPearson Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Im assuming that the Isuzu lump is a lot smaller that a 200tdi ?? I've had quite a few Tdi's and now an Isuzu 2.8... The Isuzu is most definitely smoother, seems more powerful, more willing to rev. It's also a very compact engine.. very, very short - I can get inside the engine bay with my engine! Spares are no problem to get and there are plenty of scrapper Trooper's about for little money. But you will need a conversion plate/kit... my C&P complete kit cost over £400.... and that raises the budget somewhat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Turner Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Hi simon will your c&p fitting kit fit a 4sp auto box? Or would i need a new kit? Probley run the V8 this year anyway but still thinking about a engine swap for 07 or before if i have problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Brock Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Hi simon will your c&p fitting kit fit a 4sp auto box? Or would i need a new kit? Probley run the V8 this year anyway but still thinking about a engine swap for 07 or before if i have problems So it'll be in by the 2nd January 06 then Eh ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isuzurover Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 The ISUZU 4JB1T (2.8l ISUZU trooper engine) is a good engine, and I have seen a few conversions which worked really well. The later 3.1L should be steered away from - or so I have heard. I have a 4BD1 (3.9L NA diesel) in my 110, which is a fantastic engine. It was factory fitted by LR Australia over here. It was also used in ISUZU NPR trucks, which are not uncommon in the UK if someone wants to do a conversion. They are a tight squeeze in a LR or range rover though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonPearson Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 So it'll be in by the 2nd January 06 then Eh ??? He's as bad as I am... Adrian - dunno to be honest, but Jez (dollythelw) would if you ask him - he's done it. My C&P adapter mates to an LT77... I assume the bellhousing bolt pattern would be the same or similar but we really shouldn't guess at this stuff. Maybe a call to C&P would be best... anyway, let's talk tomorrow night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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