stuntman Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 Hello one and all, I just want to know if I can run my 110 on a set of freestyle alloys? I have a salisbury rear axle with drums, so can I use my 30mm wheel spacers from my disco on the 110 with freestyles. It's a CSW 110, will they be rated high enough for the weight? Thanks in advance Andi K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 Not sure, i think not from memory, but there's a 110 CSW here in Swindon buzzing around with a set on, and it looks good too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 It has been said some times before, only Deep Dish or Boost alloys are rated for 110s. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cipx2 Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 .....and it looks good too! Yeah ... looks the same as a man with woman shoes ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrFrog Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 It has been said some times before, only Deep Dish or Boost alloys are rated for 110s.Chris Are these freestyle wheels ??? You got me worried just now :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exmoor Beast Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 Looks like Freestyles to me MrFrog Theres a G Plate 110 round here thats been on them for years... Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuntman Posted August 26, 2008 Author Share Posted August 26, 2008 I have to admit, that every response I've had on other forums state thjat if there is a claim against the insurance then it will be deemed invalid due incorrect wheels, causung a dangerous vehicle! Well it looks like I'll be sticking 8 spokes on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrFrog Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 I have to admit, that every response I've had on other forums state thjat if there is a claim against the insurance then it will be deemed invalid due incorrect wheels, causung a dangerous vehicle!Well it looks like I'll be sticking 8 spokes on! I've just called Andy at AJS4x4 (AndyS@AJS4x4.co.uk), threatening to spend money on new rims, and he said that he didn't know of a single Land Rover wheel which wasn't rated for the 110 and that the freestyles were perfectly safe. So, conundrum, who to believe (not that I disbelieve anyone, you all sound very knowledgeable). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuntman Posted August 26, 2008 Author Share Posted August 26, 2008 Hello MrFrog, I have to admit I REALLY want to run the freestyles as I have 8 very clean ones with tyres in the garage, but after speaking to my local independant landy place I wouldn't risk it. I have around 95% of the responses, some quoting all maneer of technical info, telling me that freestyles were never offered on the 110 or 130 due the vechicles rear end weight. Sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrFrog Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 Hello MrFrog, I have to admit I REALLY want to run the freestyles as I have 8 very clean ones with tyres in the garage, but after speaking to my local independant landy place I wouldn't risk it.I have around 95% of the responses, some quoting all maneer of technical info, telling me that freestyles were never offered on the 110 or 130 due the vechicles rear end weight. I've just called one dealer (reading) who is happy that they are fine on a 110CSW provided they are genuine original land rover wheels... I am not bothered about their look and would happily replace them for something else, just don't feel like forking out £££'s on unnecessary wheel changes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 I've just called Andy at AJS4x4 (AndyS@AJS4x4.co.uk), threatening to spend money on new rims, and he said that he didn't know of a single Land Rover wheel which wasn't rated for the 110 and that the freestyles were perfectly safe.So, conundrum, who to believe (not that I disbelieve anyone, you all sound very knowledgeable). Land Rover do not approve the 'Tornado' alloys (otherwise known as "Freestyle Choice") for 110s though when I tried to get an actual figure from LR for their max safe weight rating, nobody could tell me! They are rated for a Discovery which is 2720kg GVW, only 300kg short of a 110's GVW of 3050kg so there isn't a lot in it and it probably is fair to say "they are perfectly safe" unless you have an expedition vehicle loaded to the gunwales in which case I guess alloys are probably not a likely choice anyway To put some numbers on it: Discovery Tdi max rear axle weight is 1650kg i.e. 825kg per wheel Defender 110 max rear axle weight is 1850kg (fitted with std suspension) i.e. 925kg per wheel So the rating for a Tornado alloy "might" be somewhere between 825kg and 925kg. Interestingly the ripoff copies of the Tornado alloy are mostly (maybe all) rated for use on a 110 so make of that what you will See http://www.4site4x4.co.uk/4x4-wheels.aspx for 2 examples! I guess it depends on how cranky your insurers are. I run them on my 110. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrFrog Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 Land Rover do not approve the 'Tornado' alloys (otherwise known as "Freestyle Choice") for 110s though when I tried to get an actual figure from LR for their max safe weight rating, nobody could tell me! I've just called dealer number 2 (ascot), and they stated that provided they are land rover wheels, they will be fine... Close up picture of our wheels, they sort of look like freestyle, but they're different... the spokes are wider than the freestyle ones, they look chunkier. I guess it depends on how cranky your insurers are. I run them on my 110. We're with privilege (never thought I'd ever say that ), I doubt they would know/care that much in all honesty... But, I don't want to be driving a vehicle that's unsafe, regardless of what the insurance companies think It would seem that the decision is borderline based on your numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuntman Posted August 26, 2008 Author Share Posted August 26, 2008 I really want to fitthese, argh! I'll be phoning dealers tomorrow and I'll try to get it in writing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrFrog Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 I really want to fitthese, argh!I'll be phoning dealers tomorrow and I'll try to get it in writing Both dealers I called said that provided the wheels are land rover wheels, they will be fine, but, worth getting it in writing if you can. My next stop was going to be land rover customer service. Still bugs me that while I am getting 100% positive from the horse's mouth, plenty of people here and elsewhere quote problems with insurers... Oh, and according to stamp on our wheels (ANR5307), they are tornado, which I think are the same as freestyle, just different name... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacks906 Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 all depends on the weight you carry do you carry the same weight as spec states? never heard of freestyles or any land rover alloys failing heard of plenty of steels failing tho only thing i'm not sure of is if they fit on a drum axle?? someone will confirm that if you dont carry mega weight in there an they fit ok i'd go for it but found this give them a ring an chat clicky first clicky next clicky last but not too sure on this method :-S dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 Yeah ... looks the same as a man with woman shoes ... I look quite good in heels, i'll have you know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrFrog Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 I look quite good in heels, i'll have you know! Too much information, far too much :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 Oh, and according to stamp on our wheels (ANR5307), they are tornado, which I think are the same as freestyle, just different name... [wheel anorak mode] The wheels are actually all called "Tornado" fitting with the Land Rover theme of naming their alloys wet n' wild e.g. Cyclone, Hurricane and Tempest which are all other LR alloys. Much more catchy than "Style 4" which must be some Euro marketing muppet idea as that is what they use nowadays, maybe they ran out of storms. The "Freestyle" name which everybody uses comes from the fact that they were originally offered on 90s and Discoverys as part of what was called the "Freestyle Choice option pack" which was da bling rimz fitted with 235/70R16 tyres on a Discovery; or the alloys fitted with 265/75R16 tyres and anti-roll bars on the 90. The original part number was ANR1689MNH which became ANR5307MNH later on though I don't know if there are differences between the wheels - they look the same. I would also suggest that most 4x4 OEM wheels are going to be vastly over-rated and so the spokes are not going to pop out the moment you go 10kg over. Rallying a 110 loaded to GVW would probably be a dumb thing to do. By way of real world experience I have bust a set of Tornado alloys when I hit a six inch steel pipe lying across the road, the impact was so hard it shattered the spotlights on the vehicle and bent both the front wheel rims horribly (the worst was about four inches out of round), but they didn't break! [/wheel anorak mode] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrFrog Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 Thanks, this is useful information. Not sure any wheel would take to a six inch hit at speed without damage. Main use for the defender is on-road, with 4 people max, no significant load or towing. A little off road is planned, rocky road, low speed up/down hill, I am sure they will be fine. Sounds like I need to find a replacement though, for piece of mind if anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemannotsam Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 I have seen plenty of LWB with these fitted - wheels will have quite a safety factor built into them as they are a critical item - plenty of people load up their discos to the limit+ and I have never heard of a wheel breaking. I personally would not worry as with what you are carrying daily is not putting the weight above the GVW of a laden disco - in fact the 110 is probably lighter unloaded anyway and you would have to put a lot in it to get close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q-rover Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 Sounds like I need to find a replacement though, for piece of mind if anything. ZU rims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 What was said above is all true, the Freestyles will almost certainly fair just fine and there is little doubt that they are up to the job based solely on the number in use on 110s. The point though, is that they are apparently NOT rated for the job (although nobody seems able to produce figures, wait till Ralph gets back!) and if one were to fail, for whatever reason, then the insurers might have a get-out clause and the CPS might have a case for prosecution. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 I look quite good in heels, i'll have you know! The smoking jacket and fez go very well with your high heels, dear Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 The smoking jacket and fez go very well with your high heels, dear Mo SSSSHHHH!!!!, you said you'd keep that between us, Mo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrFrog Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 if one were to fail, for whatever reason, then the insurers might have a get-out clause and the CPS might have a case for prosecution. That's the most worrying thing to a certain extent. I am quite happy driving around on the basis that they are thought/known to be strong enough, not sure I want to risk paying out for the rest of my life should the worst happen and my insurer decide not to honor our policy... I'll give them a call in a few days and clearly state they are tornado wheels, ask them for written confirmation of update on policy and take that as confirmation they are happy with them. If they grumble, I'll get them changed to the cheapest wheels I can find for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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