TheBeastie Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 About 18 months ago I got a set of these for about £60 which seemed good value. Cannot remember supplier so they are safe. Anyway they seemed a bit cheaper than I would have hoped and eventually got six of them fitted. The stop/tail looked a more serious type of cutting out so I had not got around to fitting them, which was a blessing in disguise. On Wednesday I lost my front o/s indicator. I assumed a dodgy earth was the problem but on deeper investigation I found the connector for the live feed to the bulb had simply rotted away - it is only 1mm thick tin stuff. I nicked one from the set I had not installed and so am now legal again BUT if one has gone the others are sure to follow shortly. Can anyone give a personal recommendation for better units that are built more robustly. I want to go LED so perhaps that is the route but to be honest LED would have suffered same problem with the feed rotting if built so miserably. I do like the NAS look - call me shallow! - so want similar but the ones that have big LED units behind the lens do impress with their visibility. I am inclined to re-replace them all with something that will last the pace since losing a light is not a good thing to happen! Any recommendations etc would be really useful. Thanks Malcy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnover4x4 Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Ive got a set of NAS lamps on the back of my truck, been there for 2yrs! Ive replaced numerous lenses thru damage but never had any probs with the internals of the lamp holder. Only probs Ive had with lights are the quick release durite connectors continually pulling out of the crimps. Only have these fitted to front later style clear lamp/lenses. On the rears I had soldered tails onto the lamp holders & sealed with silicon. To this day never needed to touch them(shouldnt have said that) The last lot of nas lenses i ordered were britpart & thought they were poor in quality. Honestly not htat bothered as I usually replace them every few events thru damage. Best ones I had were the wipac branded items from Boltonbits.They still trade in LRO. Not sure which brand they sell know tho. Adrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 I keep hearing about NAS Lamps etc, not really sure what they are oe why they are superior tio the cheapo plastic thingies - which do seem to crack if you so much as cough to close to them Can you put up some pics and extol the 'virtues' iof them ? Nige. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarv Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 I just picked up a "brand new genuine" set from Craddocks on eblag, 29.99 for the regular side/tail/indicator set + 9.99 for the fog + reverse lamps. They are marked 'LEP ENGLAND' or PEREI (fog / reverse lamps), which I believe is L.E. Perei Ltd. I don't think there is any difference between NAS and late UK spec Defender (not including headlights of course which would probably be SAE/DOT pattern rather than E-code), mine is actually a late ex-MOD FFR and the original lights also appear to be 'NAS spec' Perei (although the PO had 'spliced' - as in twisted the bare ends of the wires together - a couple of earlier units on one side in order to flog it waiting for some replacement connectors from Autosparks to arrive so I can finish fitting). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkw90 Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 I keep hearing about NAS Lamps etc, not really sure what they are oe why they are superior tio the cheapo plastic thingies - which do seem to crack if you so much as cough to close to them Can you put up some pics and extol the 'virtues' iof them ? Nige. There larger than the standard units , and give a better light , but mainly its for the looks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeastie Posted August 29, 2008 Author Share Posted August 29, 2008 I have been looking at Bearmach LED units - about £25 each, so £200 for the lot. Expensive, but I wonder if anyone has experience of them?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litch Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 I bought a set of 12 genuine LR NAS lights in 2000 when they weren't widely available as an aftermarket item, they are made by Le Peri and after about 6-years two of the bulb-holders had rotted away as you describe but these are available as a genuine LR part for about £1 each so repacement was both easy & cheap. I am looking a the full LED ones (I won't be buying mine from Bearmach as they are available cheaper through various outlets) and I don't think they will use a similar arrangement as the fly-lead will connect directly to the circuit-board. Unfortunately the reverse lights are about £50 each and as I have a pair it makes them even more expensive, worth it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Good ones are made by Perei and the carp ones are made by Wipac (suppliers of cheap electrical rubbish to the Land Rover fraternity ) Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeastie Posted August 29, 2008 Author Share Posted August 29, 2008 Am I being thick here? You can get Perei units from Dun-Bri better price than Bearmach but they only seem to do stop/tail, front and rear indicators. They do not seem to have a front sidelight unit from what I can see. I am puzzled as to how one kits out a Defender where you need 2 rear and 2 front indicators, 2 stop tal and 2 front sidelights. Feel sure I must be missing something. I need to solve this and also check the dimensions of my current plinths since it does not look as though the plinths come with the lamps but the web description is not clear unless you know precisely what it is you are buyin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Go on then edgeuucate me some mor PICCIES ?? I thought these were the glass type ones.....in a screw in metal base ? Curious - pics would be good nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 No, those are military ones Nige, Beastie is talking about NAS lights. Beastie, Perei do the reversing light too, use that with a 5w bulb in it for the sidelights. My Perei units have been in for nigh on 6 years with plenty of off roading without even a blown bulb ! Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WALFY Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Go on then edgeuucate me some mor PICCIES ?? I thought these were the glass type ones.....in a screw in metal base ? Curious - pics would be good nige Those are mil spec lights and bl**dy expensive unless you have a friend in the know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnover4x4 Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Good ones are made by Perei and the carp ones are made by Wipac (suppliers of cheap electrical rubbish to the Land Rover fraternity )Mo I stand corrected, perei are the ones I had originally & superb quality.Have had a few wipac lenses coming adrift from the bowl section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Pictures please ? Decent ones on LR would be useful ? Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WALFY Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Nice pic of my truck doing it's thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Front Rear Old pics but they suffice to illustrate the lamps Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_USA Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 I really like the military lamps, they seem fairly rugged and ever so easy to change a bulb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeastie Posted August 30, 2008 Author Share Posted August 30, 2008 Hi Mo I had wondered about using reversing light or even clear direction indicator but I very much want to go LED so the board on both these options would be for equivalent of 21W whereas I would be wanting 5W equivalent I think for sidelights. Main reason for LED would be enhanced brightness and also such a very low current draw that if sidelights left on overnight (accidentally) then battery would not be flat. Still a bit stumped. Bearmach seem to do a clear front sidelight so may end up going that route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porny Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Not that cheap.... But when they turn up next week I will have Land Rover 60th rear light conversions for sale. All clear lens LEDs including the reverse and fog lamp - and unlike the 60th, my kit will also come with clear LED indicators. All wiring will be included so will be a plug and play on all Defenders. The units are very well sealed, and have a superseal plug conection. As per this picture: They are not even avaliable from Land Rover yet!! Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Now they are SHINEY Ian, you need to put your web site in your signature Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinBoot Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Where can i find a place to buy the NAS lamps and/or is the led's package which looks like the 60 anniversary allready available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete3000 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I really like the military lamps, they seem fairly rugged and ever so easy to change a bulb. Nice but too easy to change a bulb, in fact at a few shows trucks were returned to with no lenses or bulbs. (difficult to drive home legally) The military liked them for the early vehicles as the maintenance schedules dictated that the bulbs were replaceable without tools of any kind. The headlight bowls and rims on ex-mil lr's are similar with a bayonet type fixing. to stop thieving sorts you can put a self tapper through military bug eye lenses or just swap for NAS spec £8 each (not genuine) or plasticy bits £3 each. at the front fit a set of lamp guards to slow removal. think these look familiar from my many receipts? smaller lights with stop tail holders (multiplug) XFD100100G Stop/Tail Lamp Assembly - Defender from MA939976 XPB100190G Bulb Holder - 5/21W - Stop/Tail Light - Defender from MA939976 AMR6513G Front Indicator Lens And Body - Defender from MA940005 (1995) AMR6514 Front Side Light Assembly - Defender from MA940005 bigger NAS lamps AMR3850 NAS Lamp Plinth - Round Reversing/Fog Lights AMR6526G NAS Stop/Tail Light - No Plinth (AMR3850) - Defender AMR6527G NAS Indicator Light - No Plinth (AMR3850) - Defender AMR6528G NAS Front Side Light - Includes Plinth - Defender AMR6521 NAS Reversing Lamp - Round - Defender AMR6522 NAS Rear Fog Lamp - Round - Defender you need a bag or two of locknut plastic square clips which I drilled a 6mm hole and then filed the corners square to fit the small lamps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnover4x4 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Found this in the tech archive if anybodies interested in seeing/fitting them Nas light fitment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landmannnn Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 What is the legality of led's? My understanding is that unless origially fitted they are not legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 What is the legality of led's? My understanding is that unless origially fitted they are not legal. should be fine if 'E' marked & they comply with the light output & visibility regs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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