RichardAllen Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I always seem to make a fine old mess changing the oil. Thinking about expeditions, when cleaning up is harder I was wondering whether anyone had fitted a remote oil filter kit on a 300TDi and found it something worth doing. It would be so neat to be able to lean over the wing and change oil, fuel and air filters all close to hand. Also, when I remove the sump plug, the oil flow catches on the edge of the undertray and the steering rod spreading the oil all over the place, so catching it in a waste oil tray/can is tricky. Somebody on here is bound to have come up with a cleverer way of doing it, any suggestions ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I've never seen a remote set up for a 300 but I can help with the draining, Richard What you need is one of these. The brass bit replaces your sump plug. When you want to drain your oil, you unscrew the cap, screw on the tube (that is long enough to go into your drain can) which opens the valve and hey presto the oil goes down the tube and into your can. When drained, unscrewing the hose closes the valve, screw the cap back on and refill. JD. I've used one for a few years now and it's one of my best purchases IMHO. HTH Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 put a plastic bag over the filter before unscrewing it & working with the bag in place, just unwind until filter comes off, there's no undertray on 300Tdi Defenders, do you mean a axle guard ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardAllen Posted September 30, 2008 Author Share Posted September 30, 2008 put a plastic bag over the filter before unscrewing it & working with the bag in place, just unwind until filter comes off, there's no undertray on 300Tdi Defenders, do you mean a axle guard ? That drain plug looks very clever. One on order. Should save the cost of copper sump plug washers, so will pay for itself after about 600,000 miles ! My 90 CSW (1996) has a 2 piece fibre glass tray under the engine and gearbox, with a 4" circular plate in it that you turn to get to the sump plug and a cutout that just allows you to get your hand to the filter. On the top side it has soundproofing mat of some kind, so maybe it is part of the CSW spec. I will definitely try the plastic bag trick next time too. Thanks all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I looked into this earlier this year. It is possible. However I couldn't find a supplier who would answer ALL my questions. Non of them were realy helpful. It wasn't a "normal" chav car you see. mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimAttrill Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 put a plastic bag over the filter before unscrewing it & working with the bag in place, just unwind until filter comes off, there's no undertray on 300Tdi Defenders, do you mean a axle guard ? I find a 2½ litre plastic Coke bottle with the top cut off works better than a plastic bag. Not a nice job in any case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 That drain plug looks very clever. One on order. Should save the cost of copper sump plug washers, so will pay for itself after about 600,000 miles !My 90 CSW (1996) has a 2 piece fibre glass tray under the engine and gearbox, with a 4" circular plate in it that you turn to get to the sump plug and a cutout that just allows you to get your hand to the filter. On the top side it has soundproofing mat of some kind, so maybe it is part of the CSW spec. I will definitely try the plastic bag trick next time too. Thanks all. Not seen a undertray like that on any 90/110 300Tdi, sounds like a noise reduction part added by a previous owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardAllen Posted September 30, 2008 Author Share Posted September 30, 2008 Not seen a undertray like that on any 90/110 300Tdi, sounds like a noise reduction part added by a previous owner. Western, My undertray looks like it comprises the parts in Microcat under C02 Body and Chassis, Chassis, Section C02.085 Undertray Assembly. The bit you have to take out to get to the sump plug is what they call Hatch-Inspection, Rear, Undertray Assembly. The vehicle is a 90 300TDi CSW from 1996. Regards Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 just found it in my LR RAVE info, I think I'd take it off completly & bin it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardAllen Posted September 30, 2008 Author Share Posted September 30, 2008 I looked into this earlier this year. It is possible. However I couldn't find a supplier who would answer ALL my questions.Non of them were realy helpful. It wasn't a "normal" chav car you see. mike Given your view that it is possible, I looked at some race car sites and Mocal do take-off plates and remote filter heads, so I could replace the current filter with a take-off head and put a remote filter head and filter somewhere convenient like near the brake servo, pipe it up and Bob's your uncle. I have not spoken to anyone yet but am interested in your reservations. My main concern is that if it is easy, not too expensive <£50 the lot, and makes a regular maintenance job much easier, there is almost certainly a very good reason why it is not done often already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardAllen Posted September 30, 2008 Author Share Posted September 30, 2008 just found it in my LR RAVE info, I think I'd take it off completly & bin it. Might do once I have fixed the oil leak which it stops from dripping onto the drive ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diff Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I always seem to make a fine old mess changing the oil. Thinking about expeditions, when cleaning up is harder I was wondering whether anyone had fitted a remote oil filter kit on a 300TDi and found it something worth doing. It would be so neat to be able to lean over the wing and change oil, fuel and air filters all close to hand.Also, when I remove the sump plug, the oil flow catches on the edge of the undertray and the steering rod spreading the oil all over the place, so catching it in a waste oil tray/can is tricky. Somebody on here is bound to have come up with a cleverer way of doing it, any suggestions ? Since you mention expeditions, I personally would not be in a hurry to add a remote filter and hoses. To my mind it would cost money to put in more potential for oil leaks. Not just any old oil leaks, but high pressure ones which could loose a lot of oil very quickly, and endanger your engine - not good in the middle of nowhere. I don't know where you are thinking of travelling to, but if it involves corrugated dirt roads, the vibrations have a habit of making things come loose, hoses chafe, mountings crack etc. Of course if the assembly is done right 'nothing should go wrong', but your assembly won't have had the benefit of years of rigorous testing. I would loose the under tray for expeditions too, as it will probably just serve to collect stones and reduce airflow around the engine and box. With regard to not making a mess when changing the oil and filter, you just need to experiment with a few techniques/bits and pieces to find what suits you. The ones suggested on this thread work well. Regards, Diff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pist0nbr0ke Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 I have seen a product on the market which sucks the oil (via a tube) out of the dipstick!! These are availiable from places like draper and sealey. Some small cars like the Toyota Aygo i believe has No sump plug at all!!! Maybe one of these are a better investment? failing that get someone else to do it for you! cheers Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 God morning Richard and everybody else...... I think you're on the right route with Mocal....although I think you'll need to double the price. There's plenty room behind the header tank, yes I've loked that far. Money is the problem at present. I don't think a set of pipes correctly fitted will cause leaks. So for the gearbox oil cooler ones haven't shewn an signs. Richard I too have a very nasty oil leak. Three of us think it's from the filter head to cylinder block gasket. Hopefully H M Royal Mails and fine weather today may see if that is correct. Draining the sump. Go to www.difflock.com. Look for the drain plug. You'll need both the plug and the hose. No more oil up you're armpit when doing the sump........ All you have to do after that is sort the filter out. mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardAllen Posted October 1, 2008 Author Share Posted October 1, 2008 God morning Richard and everybody else......I think you're on the right route with Mocal....although I think you'll need to double the price. There's plenty room behind the header tank, yes I've loked that far. Money is the problem at present. I don't think a set of pipes correctly fitted will cause leaks. So for the gearbox oil cooler ones haven't shewn an signs. Richard I too have a very nasty oil leak. Three of us think it's from the filter head to cylinder block gasket. Hopefully H M Royal Mails and fine weather today may see if that is correct. Draining the sump. Go to www.difflock.com. Look for the drain plug. You'll need both the plug and the hose. No more oil up you're armpit when doing the sump........ All you have to do after that is sort the filter out. mike Mike, Thanks for that I may sort some more detailed costs once I have the second fuel tank in. My thoughts about expedition reliability are that, so long as the remote filter housing and pipes do not suffer a catstrophic failure, then by using a take-off plate where the current filter goes, I can always go back to the current arrangement. Another advantage of having the filter more accessible is that it is much easier to tape/wire the filter on as per race car practice. The sump plug gadget will be put in place at the next oil change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyEvans Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 another way that the oil can be drain is to fit a hydraulic pipe instead of the sump plug and put a blanking plug on the end. if u make a bracket to hold it out of the way normally u shouldnt find any probs with it flopping about. or if uve got some time make a bracket with a blanking plug fixed to it and screm it on so it holds it well. this method works perfectly well on forestry machines so carnt see any reason it wont work on a land rover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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