d1scv Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Having had problems with Td5 fuel pump, returned said pump to LR under warranty. LR refused the claim because of incorrect mileage. Just come off VOSA website having searched for Mot history. And this is what I was hit with. Date of test- 09/11/06- 155,484 miles Date of test- 04/05/07- 74,308 miles. I bought this Disco in July 07. 76000. Mileage- genuine LR service stamps- HPI ticket--- all false Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1G UP Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 sugar. insider job then? taking it back i hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milemarker Type S Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Did you do the HPI yourself of just rely on their copy? Was it a private sale or a garage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 If you knock the '1' off of the 155,484, then it looks more reasonable. Unfortunately, what the MOT tester records - becomes law. I would imagine it's impossible to prove otherwise. With most modern cars it's almost impossible to 'clock' a vehicle. Not only does the speedo record total mileage, but the ECU does as well, so if you bought a new speedo (or one from a breakers with less mileage on), then as soon as you connect it and turn the ignition on, then the speedo changes to what is stored in the ECU, so you gain nothing. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparg Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Having had problems with Td5 fuel pump, returned said pump to LR under warranty. LR refused the claim because of incorrect mileage.Just come off VOSA website having searched for Mot history. And this is what I was hit with. Date of test- 09/11/06- 155,484 miles Date of test- 04/05/07- 74,308 miles. I bought this Disco in July 07. 76000. Mileage- genuine LR service stamps- HPI ticket--- all false I'm interested as to why it was retested after 6 months? - who would do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d1scv Posted October 28, 2008 Author Share Posted October 28, 2008 If you knock the '1' off of the 155,484, then it looks more reasonable. Unfortunately, what the MOT tester records - becomes law. I would imagine it's impossible to prove otherwise.Les. Bought from a garage. Relied on a copy of HPI. Have checked history with LR customer services, and their records comfirm 161k 27 Feb 2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pad Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 And if the extra '1' was an accident, then putting on nearly 20000 miles in 6 months is going some. I think it may have been tested to try and 'verify' its new mileage. Sorry, but it sounds suspect. I am sure you could get police involved as it is a criminal offence? Good luck. Pad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 or the mot guy might have missed the 1 of the front, so then it would be 174,308 no forget that, it is possible with the correct gear to clock a electronic speedo fitted vehicle, but that would need the ecu sorting too. seems a bit strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 You can MOT a vehicle as often as you like - the legal requirement is once a year, but the certificate only actually only covers you for the day of the test. Testing a vehicle more often isn't that uncommon, but in reality is a bit pointless. Getting a heavily used vehicle tested more often is in some ways a wise thing to do though - there are things checked that you are not able to do yourself necuse of the specialist equipment required. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 With most modern cars it's almost impossible to 'clock' a vehicle. Errr, no it isn't - there are quite a few places that offer "mileage correction", I even passed a van advertising it while-you-wait the other day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Errr, no it isn't - there are quite a few places that offer "mileage correction", Dodgy bugger Les, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d1scv Posted October 28, 2008 Author Share Posted October 28, 2008 or the mot guy might have missed the 1 of the front, so then it would be 174,308no forget that, it is possible with the correct gear to clock a electronic speedo fitted vehicle, but that would need the ecu sorting too. seems a bit strange. The 'service record' only goes to the 76k. Oh yes its all crooked. Lr reckon they can get into the ECU and detect whats happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d1scv Posted October 28, 2008 Author Share Posted October 28, 2008 Dodgy bugger Les, But how on earth did DVLA computer not pick up the huge drop in mileage on the Mot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milemarker Type S Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Bought from a garage. Relied on a copy of HPI. Have checked history with LR customer services, and their records comfirm161k 27 Feb 2007 Then I strongly suggest returning to the garage and telling them what you have found out- and advising them that unless they solve the problem to your satisfaction that you will be reporting the matter to trading standards and/or the Police. Once they have done so report them anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 But how on earth did DVLA computer not pick up the huge drop in mileage on the Mot Speedo could've been replaced - mine was "0 miles" at the previous MOT 'cos I'd bolted a new speedo in but hadn't added the correct mileage to it, they just have to put whatever's presented on the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 You may notice that some dealers put a sticker on the speedo - stating that the recorded mileage may be wrong. There's a legal requirement for this - something about it being clearly visible when the speedo is viewed. You can alter or replace the speedo, and there's nothing illegal about it, but if you sell the vehicle - I think you are required to state that this has happened. If you don't, then as far as the law is concerned, the vehicle has been 'clocked' and an offence has been commited. I suggest you get L/R to access the ECU, I don't think there's any better proof of the vehicle being clocked. I think you can also contact previous owners. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredenewman Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 You may notice that some dealers put a sticker on the speedo - stating that the recorded mileage may be wrong. There's a legal requirement for this - something about it being clearly visible when the speedo is viewed. You can alter or replace the speedo, and there's nothing illegal about it, but if you sell the vehicle - I think you are required to state that this has happened. If you don't, then as far as the law is concerned, the vehicle has been 'clocked' and an offence has been commited. I suggest you get L/R to access the ECU, I don't think there's any better proof of the vehicle being clocked. I think you can also contact previous owners.Les. the clever boys alter the imfo on the ecu as well its common pratice in the dodgy end of the motor trade, it also happens at the top end there is a hire co in london that hires out top marque cars[ferraris e.t c.] and they spike them beore there sold ive seen it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrfarmer Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I'm interested as to why it was retested after 6 months? - who would do that? You can MOT a vehicle as often as you like - the legal requirement is once a year, but the certificate only actually only covers you for the day of the test. Testing a vehicle more often isn't that uncommon, but in reality is a bit pointless. Getting a heavily used vehicle tested more often is in some ways a wise thing to do though - there are things checked that you are not able to do yourself necuse of the specialist equipment required.Les. when i used to do a bit of buying and selling if a car had 6 months MOT or less i would quite oftern put a new mot on as knowing you've got 12months before the next mot is better than 6, i found i got more calls for for the work and people didn't try to knock the price down so hard. how many car that you've got from a dealer have you sead you take it when thay've sead thay'll put 12month MOT on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Neale Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 The other alternative is that the car that you have isn't actually the one that the paperwork refers to - ie a ringer. I'd suggest you go back to the dealer asap. If there is an issue, any reputable dealer should refund you as a goodwill gesture and sort out the ownership issues with the Police / Insurance. If the vehicle is stolen and has had it's identity changed, it belongs to the original owner/victim or their insurance company, not you. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainChaos Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 The other alternative is that the car that you have isn't actually the one that the paperwork refers to - ie a ringer. I'd suggest you go back to the dealer asap. If there is an issue, any reputable dealer should refund you as a goodwill gesture and sort out the ownership issues with the Police / Insurance. If the vehicle is stolen and has had it's identity changed, it belongs to the original owner/victim or their insurance company, not you. Matt Thats a very good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 If it's a ringer, then the first thing the Police are likely to do is take it off of you Any money you have already paid is then down to you to recover from the person or company you bought it from. Before you start to worry - possibly unnecessarily, do what checks you can on the vehicles history. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d1scv Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share Posted October 29, 2008 If it's a ringer, then the first thing the Police are likely to do is take it off of you Any money you have already paid is then down to you to recover from the person or company you bought it from. Before you start to worry - possibly unnecessarily, do what checks you can on the vehicles history. Les. Just a quick update. Pretty sure the car is not a ringer. The DVLA/ VOSA [Mot computer] does not check against previous mileage- tester can enter anything without question. As to the police! Took all the information to them. i.e. conflicting Mots. proof of false mileage, proof of false service history stamps, - and was told that whilst there was no doubt of criminal activity, they would not even record the possible offence as they did not have the resources to investigate. Period! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 as they did not have the resources to investigate. Period! Typical response - tell them that there's a dead body in the boot, that would get them moving. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Neale Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Typical response - tell them that there's a dead body in the boot, that would get them moving.Les. That's bloody stupid answer from someone who ought to know better. Don't be so obtuse Les - your comment is somewhat less than helpful, and I for one don't find it funny in the least. D1SCV - you've been very badly advised by whoever you spoke to I'm afraid. The circumstances you describe suggest that the vehicle may well be stolen, and therefore it should be looked at. As you've not filled out your profile, so I've no idea where you are (therefore don't know which force you spoke to). I may be able to help - drop me a PM. If what you say is true (ie, that you have fake paperwork etc) then there is unlikely to be smoke without fire, as it were. The comment about the vehicle being seized is true to a point, but it depends on the circumstances. If you bought it from a dealer, they should refund you. As I said before, the vehicle, if stolen, cannot be your property - it'll belong to the insurance company or the original owner. It may just be that the paperwork has been screwed up - but either way, you need to sort it. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotal Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 That's bloody stupid answer from someone who ought to know better. Don't be so obtuse Les - your comment is somewhat less than helpful, and I for one don't find it funny in the least. It's only a tongue in cheek comment, don't be too harsh - it made me laugh - and it's factually true - he just ommited the fact that you'd get arrested for wasting police time Lighten up, think of all the good positive comments Les puts into this forum As for the original poster - have you been back to the dealer you purchased from yet? I would go back there and see if they want to sort it outside of the police/courts. Most probably will just to avoid any hassle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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