Landowner Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Started to fit my 'new' fleabay wheels and find that they are too thick making the studs too short. I've seen a thread on here I think but can't remember what was said nor can I find it on a search. I think I know what the answer is so how easy is it to remove the studs?? Should be able to see what I mean in this pic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutchgit Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Started to fit my 'new' fleabay wheels and find that they are too thick making the studs too short.I've seen a thread on here I think but can't remember what was said nor can I find it on a search. I think I know what the answer is so how easy is it to remove the studs?? Should be able to see what I mean in this pic You're probably alright using them as is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish Grundy Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Started to fit my 'new' fleabay wheels and find that they are too thick making the studs too short.I've seen a thread on here I think but can't remember what was said nor can I find it on a search. I think I know what the answer is so how easy is it to remove the studs?? Should be able to see what I mean in this pic order new studs for a 130, remove the hub and disc ass. remove disc from hub, with a big hammer you should be able to knock them back through. you may need to screw the nut on until its flush with the end, incase itstight just to stop the end doming over and not fitting through the hole!! hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Neale Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Started to fit my 'new' fleabay wheels and find that they are too thick making the studs too short.I've seen a thread on here I think but can't remember what was said nor can I find it on a search. I think I know what the answer is so how easy is it to remove the studs?? Should be able to see what I mean in this pic As far as I can see, there's nothing wrong with the studs on your hubs... as far as I know, they are all the same length anyway. Don't forget that your wheel nuts are chamfered so there is far more thread depth actually on on the stud than you think. I run Discovery 5 spoke steels on my 110 - they are the same thickness as your Wolf-spec rims in the picture. Mine have been fitted for the last seven years on a truck that weighs in at not far off 3 tonnes and is used regularly off road - I've had no issues with them whatsoever. You don't really want the stud protuding from the wheelnut anyway - you get a build of road dirt and corrosion which makes removing them a pain. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandyManLuke Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Plenty of people have used 130/wolf wheels with standard studs and not had a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) XD/Wolf studs are EXACTLY the same length as older 90/110 so changing them makes no difference, the difference comes from the fact that the wolf wheel centre is thicker than the 5.5 inch wide standard wheels & the drum brake thickness makes the studs look short, BUT the studs are only different in thread type -- nothing else. I bought a full set of XD studs to replace as I believed the XD studs were longer but found that it made no change, I trial fitted a wheel with the brake drum off & then the stud/nut when tightend was the same as the front wheel stud/nuts, so it's down to the drum brake thickness as mentioned above. photo of my rear XD/Wolf wheels on my DRUM Braked rear axle on my 110. Never had a loose nut or broken stud, these have been fitted since 1998 & my 110 has never failed a MOT because of them. Â Edited September 1, 2017 by western phot replaced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=19338 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landowner Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 Looks like they'll be staying on then Really do look nice on the 110, far better than the crappy wellers I just took off. Looks more heavy duty and go anywhere now I'll torque them up and leave it at that, I think the problem is more psycolgical than anything anyway. Ta for the support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landowner Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 Just a thought....are disco studs the same ? if so how do they fit thick alloys ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Discovery 1 studs for steel wheels are the same length as Defender ones, but the nuts for alloys are longer & secure the wheel in a different manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrfarmer Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 zeus engineering do a 12mm longer than standed if you want to http://www.zeus.uk.com/land-rover.php some people have had problems with the stud not being long enuff but only with Scrutineering with some clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landowner Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 Discovery 1 studs for steel wheels are the same length as Defender ones, but the nuts for alloys are longer & secure the wheel in a different manner. Gotcha, bigger holes on wheels and long nuts with a collar. Should have thought of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMc Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Just a thought....are disco studs the same ? if so how do they fit thick alloys ? M16 Wheel Stud Applications - [b]Part Number Thread x Pitch x Length Model and Chassis Numbers[/b] FRC7577 M16 x 1.5mm x 54mm Defender XD (Wolf), Armoured & Heavy Duty 110/130 FRC6137 M16 x 1.5mm x 39mm Defender to (V) KA930455 (Disc/Drum) FRC5926 M16 x 1.5mm x 39mm Defender from (V) LA930456 to (V) 2A631135 (Disc/Disc) Discovery from (V) FA393361 to (V) WA799999 Range Rover Classic from (V) CA to (V) HA610293 Range Rover Classic from (V) JA610294 RUF000020 M16 x 1.5mm x 39mm Defender from (V) 2A631136 (Disc/Disc) RUF500010 M16 x 1.5mm x 39mm Defender from (V) 7A000001 (Disc/Disc) Note: FRC5926 has been superseded by RUF000020 Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Top man Paul, that explains very well, so my 110 has these FRC6137 M16 x 1.5mm x 39mm Defender to (V) KA930455 (Disc/Drum) & these are the other set of 20 I've got [but there not XD/Wolf as I thought] FRC5926 M16 x 1.5mm x 39mm Defender from (V) LA930456 to (V) 2A631135 (Disc/Disc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMc Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Top man Paul, that explains very well, so my 110 has these FRC6137 M16 x 1.5mm x 39mm Defender to (V) KA930455 (Disc/Drum) & these are the other set of 20 I've got [but there mot XD/Wolf as I thought] FRC5926 M16 x 1.5mm x 39mm Defender from (V) LA930456 to (V) 2A631135 (Disc/Disc Ralph, that's correct, except that most (if not, all) Wolf XD have FRC5926 fitted My 110 (FA model year, same as yours) has FRC6137, I made the mistake of thinking that FRC5926 would be longer - they're not, they're identical - fortunately, I only bought a box of 5, which I've since used for other things. FRC7577 isn't in EPC or Microcat, but it came up on my Dealer's parts enquiry computer as fitted to - Defender XD, Heavy Duty 110/130 and Armoured Applications, it also came up with £8.00 + VAT each - that was a couple (or so) years ago, and I now believe that they're about £15.00 + VAT each Paddock's are selling the Britpart version of FRC7577 for £1.82 +VAT each (Tony passed-on that tip in his 'Longer Studs/Stazworks Wheel' thread that he's linked to earlier in this thread) I bought a set of 20, back in August, which came to £48.65 incl. Carriage & VAT To the best of my knowledge, NO Wolf XD's, HD 110/130's have left the factory with FRC7577 fitted. As these studs are 15mm longer than the standard studs, I suspect that they've only ever been factory fitted to Armoured vehicles, fitted with non-standard HD/Run-Flat wheel rims, but I've never been able to get near enough to one with my Vernier Calipers The later part numbered studs AFAIK are dimensionally identical and interchangeable with the earlier part numbered studs. Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Cheers Sir, clears that misunderstanding on my part up nicely & makes it a lot less fuzzy in my brianbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweetyduck Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Dragging up this old thread as i've just needed to answer this although my wheels haven't come yet. I have 6 x ANR4583PM on their way. My hubs must have FRC5926 fitted at the moment. Off to take some pictures when they do and before and after on the standard studs. If they don't go on as below (6mm) then i'll order some FRC7577 which are damn expensive even at the best price i can find. A M16 x 1.5 bolt (stud in this case) needs 5.6mm of thread engagment to work fully. So as long as your wheel nut goes on 6mm the wheel will stay on ! Source is ISO965 which i've seen all over and by far the easiest place to access the info is here on Wikipedia. Wikipedia ISO965 Hopefully this will help people searching, as this does seem to be the best thread anywhere on the subject even if its title is a bit cryptic. Then again LR4x4 is normally the best place At the moment the cheapest place to get FRC7577 is from TLRC and they are £2.63 each ex VT and delivey so about £78 all in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMc Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Dragging up this old thread as i've just needed to answer this although my wheels haven't come yet. I have 6 x ANR4583PM on their way. My hubs must have FRC5926 fitted at the moment. Off to take some pictures when they do and before and after on the standard studs. If they don't go on as below (6mm) then i'll order some FRC7577 which are damn expensive even at the best price i can find. A M16 x 1.5 bolt (stud in this case) needs 5.6mm of thread engagment to work fully. So as long as your wheel nut goes on 6mm the wheel will stay on ! Source is ISO965 which i've seen all over and by far the easiest place to access the info is here on Wikipedia. Wikipedia ISO965 Hopefully this will help people searching, as this does seem to be the best thread anywhere on the subject even if its title is a bit cryptic. Then again LR4x4 is normally the best place At the moment the cheapest place to get FRC7577 is from TLRC and they are £2.63 each ex VT and delivey so about £78 all in. Have you given Paddocks a call for their price on FRC7577, they were charging £1.82 + VAT (each), two years ago. Also have a look at White90's thread about changing wheelstuds for FRC7577 - Wheel Stud Replacement . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweetyduck Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 yes seen that. Thanks I've not called paddocks but I will do if i need the studs. Its worth a try even if it saves a fiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Part1cle Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 A M16 x 1.5 bolt (stud in this case) needs 5.6mm of thread engagment to work fully. So as long as your wheel nut goes on 6mm the wheel will stay on ! Source is ISO965 which i've seen all over and by far the easiest place to access the info is here on Wikipedia. Wikipedia ISO965 Be careful here, 5.6mm (about four threads) is a minimum thread engagement. This standard is for "general" use, which covers many applications, and also note the recommended maximum thread engagement is 16mm. While we don't use fine threads where I work (medium to large gear manufacture) unless its for special applications, the rule of thumb is 1.5 x diameter engagement for tapped holes and we never use thin nuts, which is roughly what the 5.6mm equates to at that size. A standard nut for M16x2.0 is about 15mm thick if I remember correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweetyduck Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Thats good to know and i've seen something less clear elsewhere so thanks for the clarity. I think once my wheels are here (carrier failed to deliver) that i'll see what its like and will buy new studs. You can never get enough length.......... especially if its M16.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweetyduck Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Soemone has some studs for a forward control. Longer ones. Should they be the same as a defender? They are for a 27mm nut. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Soemone has some studs for a forward control. Longer ones. Should they be the same as a defender? They are for a 27mm nut. Thanks more likely to be a imperial thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweetyduck Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 they came from zeus and are new. Its not worth the risk then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 If the thread type/size isn't on the package then I wouldn't use them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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