Madcowz Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Hi, I'm now the proud owner of a wide track and want to sort the electrics out as I am already sick of messing about with a lightboard and I've only had it 2 days. I also need to learn to reverse it without jackknifing it all the time. It is so much harder to reverse than the twin axle cattle trailer I normally tow about. First step is to buy some light lenses but I don't which ones to get and where they go on the trailer. I have all the lens rings and some mud but that is it. I have six on the back, two pairs on the outside under the triangles and two under the tailgate. I have seen these on Eblag and they are advertised as: LAND ROVER MILITARY LAMP LENSES Would these fit or are there standard (cheap) ones that will fit as well. I want it to look as proper as possible but not have to spend loads being too authentic. Has anyone got any pictures of the back that shows which lens goes where? Also, where do you guys fit the number plate as I can't see anywhere obvious that would look good. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars L Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 The lenses will fit. Red lenses rear are most outward, yellow inside. The kit in the pic is for a vehicle, flat read lenses are for the fog lights and you will have two yellow as spares. I can't give you any advise for license plate. What's OK here is a completely different matter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madcowz Posted March 2, 2009 Author Share Posted March 2, 2009 Thanks for the reply. I have managed to get hold of the manual and as you say: Of the outer pair of lights: Outer lights: Tail & Stop Inner lights: Indicator and a number plate and Convoy light. This doesn't help with the inner two lights though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stageonesimmo Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 They are the fog lamps - the thicker lenses marked 'FOG' at the bottom go on these...................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonjovi Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 i will check PROPERLY tomorow if acurate the indicator lenses should have rear on them as the front of a military l/r HAS FRONT ON THEM AND REAR HAS REAR(NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT.) THE NUMBER PLATE IS FITTED TO THE RHS I THINK OF THE TAILGATE WITH A LANDROVER TYPE LAMP ABOVE IT OH AND A CONVOY LAMP UNDERNEATH CHECK OUT THE PRICE OF COMPLETE LAMPS FOR EACH AS THERE MAY NOT BE ALOT OF DIFFERENCE IN PRICE FOR THE LENSES AND I BET YOU WILL NEED THEM. AT ONE TIME THE COMPLETE STOP TAIL LAMP WAS CHEAPER THAN JUST THE LENS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madcowz Posted March 3, 2009 Author Share Posted March 3, 2009 Do you have any links to where I could buy these complete lamps? thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars L Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 No link, but try Craddock. That company always seems (to me) to be a bit more dedicated when odd Land Rover parts are concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stageonesimmo Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 i will check PROPERLY tomorow if acurate the indicator lenses should have rear on them as the front of a military l/r HAS FRONT ON THEM AND REAR HAS REAR(NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT.) Not something I ever picked up on in my 20 odd years of inspecting the things for the MoD and I'm a stickler for things like that, believe me! - doesnt make ecconomical sense either you'd have to stock twice the number of lenses plus its not like the light output is different from either set of indicators as they both use the same wattage bulb and are mounted the same, also I seem to recall there only ever being one NSN for the indicator rubies not 2, but I'll dig out some old AESPs to check that as I might be wrong due to a failing memory - too much nerve agent and fuller's earth......... Odd one that, got any pictures of the markings in question just for interest's sake?........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars L Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 No pic, but they are indeed marked. Just capital letters in the same style as "LUCAS" and "ENGLAND" saying "FRONT" and "REAR". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HENNEGANOL Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I have a load of lenses and complete lamps also I think there is a convoy lamp or it may be a number plate lamp. Let me know if you are interested. The number plate lamp is still fitted on the trailer just above the offside triangle, the number plate would have been attached to the two brackets to the left of the light. HENNEGANOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SacredDog Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 i will check PROPERLY tomorow if acurate the indicator lenses should have rear on them as the front of a military l/r HAS FRONT ON THEM AND REAR HAS REAR(NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT.) THE NUMBER PLATE IS FITTED TO THE RHS I THINK OF THE TAILGATE WITH A LANDROVER TYPE LAMP ABOVE IT OH AND A CONVOY LAMP UNDERNEATH CHECK OUT THE PRICE OF COMPLETE LAMPS FOR EACH AS THERE MAY NOT BE ALOT OF DIFFERENCE IN PRICE FOR THE LENSES AND I BET YOU WILL NEED THEM. AT ONE TIME THE COMPLETE STOP TAIL LAMP WAS CHEAPER THAN JUST THE LENS? I never knew that about 'Front' & 'Rear' Indicator Lenses, mine hasn't got 'Front' or 'Rear' marked on them, does that mean they are not Genuine? Colin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SacredDog Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Do you have any links to where I could buy these complete lamps?thanks. The last time I wanted a new Military Fog Lens I found it cheaper to buy a complete lamp assembly from http://www.johnrichardssurplus.co.uk/ rather that just a Lens from Craddock. Colin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonjovi Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 they are front and rear lenses i know i do it for a living dont know why though as they cannot be much different? as an example the lenses can be £7 to £10 pounds each and the lamps complete with lens £16 ish they do vary in price although they are not that different in construction. i recently informed my employer that they were paying more for the stop tail lamp lens than the whole assembly apart from the lenses they either have single or double pole bulb holders for stop/tail(double pole) or fog-indicators-front side lights which are single pole and all the same. dont know why yours are not marked front or rear,guess not military ones . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SacredDog Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 they are front and rear lenses i know i do it for a living dont know why though as they cannot be much different?as an example the lenses can be £7 to £10 pounds each and the lamps complete with lens £16 ish they do vary in price although they are not that different in construction. i recently informed my employer that they were paying more for the stop tail lamp lens than the whole assembly apart from the lenses they either have single or double pole bulb holders for stop/tail(double pole) or fog-indicators-front side lights which are single pole and all the same. dont know why yours are not marked front or rear,guess not military ones . That is weird mine not being marked front or rear, I assumed they were genuine military ones as they have the 'LUCAS', 'ENGLAND' and traces of Matt Green Paint on them (why they weren't unscrewed to paint, I don't know), they look original from it's days as a Rapier Tractor. Do you have the respective NSN's &/or Land Rover part numbers for the Front and Rear Lenses?, just for future reference. Cheers, Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stageonesimmo Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 In 23 years as REME I never knew or noticed this and can say for certain that the vehicles I was hands on with last had no such markings on the lenses. There must be a vehicle type - daf 4 tone MJ/MK or something that doesn't have this distinction and those unmarked lenses are finding their way into the system in large numbers. TBH i reckon its that basically, although both numbers may well be listed in the AESP, the one 'unmarked' lense is being held as stock against both NSN so which ever you demand, you get the same unmarked lense. So I reckon anyway. Colin, dont fret - your's will still be genuine............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SacredDog Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 In 23 years as REME I never knew or noticed this and can say for certain that the vehicles I was hands on with last had no such markings on the lenses. There must be a vehicle type - daf 4 tone MJ/MK or something that doesn't have this distinction and those unmarked lenses are finding their way into the system in large numbers. TBH i reckon its that basically, although both numbers may well be listed in the AESP, the one 'unmarked' lense is being held as stock against both NSN so which ever you demand, you get the same unmarked lense. So I reckon anyway.Colin, dont fret - your's will still be genuine............. That would seem the logical explanation to me as well, having worked around the MoD stores system (not Vehicles though) for a good few years (as a Civvy) I know our codifiers would do such a thing and before I left the MoD they were making a big thing of rationalising the Stores. I'm not that concerned about what I have fitted being genuine but more worried about anything I get in the future being compatible. Colin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madcowz Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 While we are on the subject of genuine parts. I was wondering why some trailers are olive green and others (mine) is camo. Is it just down to where they have been used or is there more to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 While we are on the subject of genuine parts. I was wondering why some trailers are olive green and others (mine) is camo.Is it just down to where they have been used or is there more to it? depends on the parent units role i.e. front line, most vehicles in black/green or other appropriate camo for the areas of operation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonjovi Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 ok here we go mpns only as i cant see nsns being any good to you. the number plate and convoy lamps are the same some of the trls i have seen have male lenses screwing into the female lamps but i will give you the female lens that screws into the male lamps hope that makes sense? lenses RTC 1843 FRONT INDICATOR(AMBER) RTC 1844 REAR INDICATOR(AMBER) AAU 1079 STOP TAIL (RED) RTC 2666 FOG (RED FLAT LENS) AEU 1375 SIDE (CLEAR) LAMPS RTC 1885 IND FRONT RTC 1886 IND REAR RTC 1919 STOP TAIL AEU 1374 SIDE LIGHT RTC 2665 FOG NUMBER AND CONVOY FV1 4933 OR FV4 26611 ? IF YOU WANT THE BULB HOLDERS ONLY LUCAS TR/572727 DOUBLE CONTACT(IE STOP/TAIL) 41-118863 SINGLE CONTACT (IE IND/ FOG OR SIDE ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SacredDog Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 ok here we go mpns only as i cant see nsns being any good to you. the number plate and convoy lamps are the same some of the trls i have seen have male lenses screwing into the female lamps but i will give you the female lens that screws into the male lamps hope that makes sense? lenses RTC 1843 FRONT INDICATOR(AMBER) RTC 1844 REAR INDICATOR(AMBER) AAU 1079 STOP TAIL (RED) RTC 2666 FOG (RED FLAT LENS) AEU 1375 SIDE (CLEAR) LAMPS RTC 1885 IND FRONT RTC 1886 IND REAR RTC 1919 STOP TAIL AEU 1374 SIDE LIGHT RTC 2665 FOG NUMBER AND CONVOY FV1 4933 OR FV4 26611 ? IF YOU WANT THE BULB HOLDERS ONLY LUCAS TR/572727 DOUBLE CONTACT(IE STOP/TAIL) 41-118863 SINGLE CONTACT (IE IND/ FOG OR SIDE ) Thanks, that is excellent. I only asked about NSN's out of interest because I have seen boxes with the MPN covered by a Sticker with a Bar Code and NSN on it in the past and from my experience in the MoD NSN's tend to cover superceded items better than MPN's If I have an NSN (or at least the last 7) I can refer back to it. Cheers, Colin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madcowz Posted March 18, 2009 Author Share Posted March 18, 2009 My trailer is looking really good now with its lenses screwed on but I have one further question... what colour lens should it be showing on the front? I'm thinking white but is it amber? thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 should be white, amber is for side markers on all trailers over a certain length, you won't need them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madcowz Posted March 18, 2009 Author Share Posted March 18, 2009 should be white, amber is for side markers on all trailers over a certain length, you won't need them. Excellent, thanks Ralph. Will swap them over for white as I put amber on first. I noticed the bulbs are smaller as well although they are higher rated 28v 5w. Not sure what I should pop in there instead for 12v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 if the bulbs are the normal bayonet type as per the 110's bulbs, standard front sidelight bulbs will do the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stageonesimmo Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 12V 5W SBC - i.e. a normal sie-light bulb as Western says........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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