Bell-Auto-Services Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Here is a sneek preview of the TDV8 engine and D3 6 speed manual box with a LT230 defender transfer box we are fitting into a 100" defender The video is carp quality as its on a phone but ill upload some better ones soon. Just does go to show anything is possibile and you can get the engine runing out of the car even tho people say its not possibile Lots more work to come yet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bZH4vicB9o Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Interesting! I expect you'll be getting a few enquiries! Out of interest, what axles are you planning on running? Hopefuly nothing from the LR stable...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 There's a spank brand new TDV6 on ebay for £2.5k buy it now at the moment. I haven't been looking at prices, honest ... Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bell-Auto-Services Posted March 18, 2009 Author Share Posted March 18, 2009 Re the axles, to make into a rolling chassis that would drive JUST to move it we will use some standard LR ones, then upgrade them after the main problems and body is delt with. Im still a million miles away yet from a driving car because there is so much more developement for the electronics and the basic connections between the 3 parts of the drive train to finalise. Ill be at is for years lol Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Interesting project! Is the D3 gearbox up to the job, though? It's got to live with a very large chunck of torque. A for axles you'll be wanting one that includes the number '9' or '60' and has some 1.5" OD 35 spline shafts inside it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Should make for a fun vehicle. What's the reasoning behind going for the manual over the normal ZF box? Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q-rover Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 When ca we place orders for new Defender TDV8's? B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smo Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Mmm V8 diesel I'm also curious as to why you didnt opt for the normal auto box from the TDV8? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBlue88 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 At last,someone is actually trying to make it work ............I shall be watching this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shackleton Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 At last,someone is actually trying to make it work ............I shall be watching this Very cool. I have to play devils advocate though and do some poking. I was crazy gung ho to get a TDV6 into my RRC and ended up settling for a Td5 because aside from having a lot of trouble getting my hands on a whole TDV6 write off I was talked out of it by the experts. I spoke to a bunch of the UK tuning specialists and eventually found someone who had or was witness to a TDV6 running outside of a RR Sport or D3. He said the problem isn't getting the thing running outside its original truck, it's getting it to run right once you pull off. Whatever contraption they had come up with sounded sweet in the yard and at idle, but as son as you took it down the road is was a big pile of poo. I can probably answer the question of why you didn't go auto... the auto box incorporates a whole raft of extra sensors, getting a manual TDV setup running right theoretically is a whole lot easier then having to worry about all the extra elextronics involved with the auto? George PS, I'm 3rd in the running for the best job now, votes greatly appreciated!!! www.islandreefjob.com/george EDIT: Shoulda said - I've got the green eyed monster big time. And asked how much for a TDV in a RRC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharger Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Yup, I guess the auto box was ditched because, with a stick shift there's no computer arguing about ratios and wheel speed sensors... I've never done it but I guess with pistons going up and down and some spark plugs to be tickled it'd be a straight-up job for Megasquirt? If you're fooling the OEM ECU then fair play, I take my hat off to you - I can't even get a different turbo working on my 300Tdi! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Yup, I guess the auto box was ditched because, with a stick shift there's no computer arguing about ratios and wheel speed sensors... Ohhhhh yes there is... TDV6 manual versions have a gear position sensor (handily placed on the top of the gearbox so you have to take the 'kin gearbox out to change it) which requires calibration to the vehicle speed input for it to work properly, because I had to do this to a D3 the other day which flipped its lid (still at least it will go, which is more than can be said for the other TDVbuggerall in the corner at the moment). The thing is too stupid to understand what gear it is in so you need to drive it along in every gear so it can look at the sensor, look at the road speed and decide what gear it might be in from the speed vs revs... Must have been from the same school of thought that decided on the electric handbrake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exmoor Beast Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Good luck with this chaps, I've got my fingers crossed for you, if you make it work I'll sell everything to pay for a manual gearboxed TDV8 in my 110 Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bell-Auto-Services Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 Hi I didnt go for the auto box just to try and keep it simple ,, if thats actualy possibile. The engine is running a LR modifyed code ecu i have developed to run it outside of the car, it has been tested in a working RRS running down the road with no problems, also on a working manual D3 before i got to this stage. Ive no doubt it will still work when i squeese it into the defender. As you know there are many things inside the engine ecu that read from sensors to alter the mapping, this is what has taken me 12 months of research to work round and eventualy we have come up with it running not only out side the car but with no cats , no dpf and not needing a signal from any speed sensors. Ill post more pics and info as i go on. Regards Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andylandy Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 HiI didnt go for the auto box just to try and keep it simple ,, if thats actualy possibile. The engine is running a LR modifyed code ecu i have developed to run it outside of the car, it has been tested in a working RRS running down the road with no problems, also on a working manual D3 before i got to this stage. Ive no doubt it will still work when i squeese it into the defender. As you know there are many things inside the engine ecu that read from sensors to alter the mapping, this is what has taken me 12 months of research to work round and eventualy we have come up with it running not only out side the car but with no cats , no dpf and not needing a signal from any speed sensors. Ill post more pics and info as i go on. Regards Pete can you stop upseting me please anybody want a td5 with auto box a feel a upgrade coming on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1G UP Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 HiI didnt go for the auto box just to try and keep it simple ,, if thats actualy possibile. The engine is running a LR modifyed code ecu i have developed to run it outside of the car, it has been tested in a working RRS running down the road with no problems, also on a working manual D3 before i got to this stage. Ive no doubt it will still work when i squeese it into the defender. As you know there are many things inside the engine ecu that read from sensors to alter the mapping, this is what has taken me 12 months of research to work round and eventualy we have come up with it running not only out side the car but with no cats , no dpf and not needing a signal from any speed sensors. Ill post more pics and info as i go on. Regards Pete This has been done in the VW world for a few years now. Immobiliser defeats and switching off of the external can bus options like the air con, abs, tsc etc. I have witnessed a very clever american guy reading the hexidecimal code for a vw engine and changing the code to switch the imobilser etc off. Good luck with this, my ideal landover, just with the auto and the suspension from a D3 aswell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naks Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 which begs the question - would that TDV8 fit in a Disco2 Td5, and will the gearbox cope? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bell-Auto-Services Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 I think it would fit I'm not sure about any gearbox life yeteven on the D3 we have used LOL Time will tell Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJL Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 With all seriousness following your tests and development. Can I be the first to order one? Ready to junk my breathed on TD5 James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Drumstick Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 On 3/18/2009 at 7:54 PM, Bell-Auto-Services said: Here is a sneek preview of the TDV8 engine and D3 6 speed manual box with a LT230 defender transfer box we are fitting into a 100" defender The video is carp quality as its on a phone but ill upload some better ones soon. Just does go to show anything is possibile and you can get the engine runing out of the car even tho people say its not possibile Lots more work to come yet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bZH4vicB9o Pete Apologies for reviving a super old thread. Just wondering what happened with this project? Did it get up and running successfully? I'd love to know more about such a conversion if you are willing to share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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