CURLY Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 hi there, i have just aquired a 2.5 td 110, and it has a bit of a starting issue.. ~(beleive it or not.. LOL) i turn the key just before starting it and hold it for about 20-30 seconds while the choke light comes on, to heat the glow plugs i was told, but it still takes ages to fire up. then a load of white smoke comes out the exhaust for a few seconds. then it clears and runs fine. checked the oil, and water, both are ok, not creamy or smelly, so am assuming its un burnt diesel? how do i check the glow plugs without taking them out? can i check the resistance or something? or am i barking up the wrong tree? Cheers, CURLY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
errol209 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 hi there,i have just aquired a 2.5 td 110, and it has a bit of a starting issue.. ~(beleive it or not.. LOL) i turn the key just before starting it and hold it for about 20-30 seconds while the choke light comes on, to heat the glow plugs i was told, but it still takes ages to fire up. then a load of white smoke comes out the exhaust for a few seconds. then it clears and runs fine. checked the oil, and water, both are ok, not creamy or smelly, so am assuming its un burnt diesel? how do i check the glow plugs without taking them out? can i check the resistance or something? or am i barking up the wrong tree? Cheers, CURLY Yep, whip the wires off (don't lose the nuts and washers). Each plug should be a few ohms resistance to the engine block. Your symptoms all sound familiar though! A previous thread suggested worn rockers, which is about the only thing I haven't had a go at yet . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CURLY Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 Yep, whip the wires off (don't lose the nuts and washers). Each plug should be a few ohms resistance to the engine block. Your symptoms all sound familiar though! A previous thread suggested worn rockers, which is about the only thing I haven't had a go at yet . oh no, you dont have the same problem do you? its so embarassing starting it if there's any people around! i think my valve stem seals have had it too, cos there's some blue smoke at startup, but runs clear as a bell after 30 seconds.. might chuck some of that thick gunky stuff from halfords in it to see if that helps it a bit, and have the glowplugs checked too.. might even pop the rocker cover off and have a looky at the rockers while i've got my spanners out.. CURLY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickydicky Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 oh no, you dont have the same problem do you?its so embarassing starting it if there's any people around! i think my valve stem seals have had it too, cos there's some blue smoke at startup, but runs clear as a bell after 30 seconds.. might chuck some of that thick gunky stuff from halfords in it to see if that helps it a bit, and have the glowplugs checked too.. might even pop the rocker cover off and have a looky at the rockers while i've got my spanners out.. CURLY i have the same problem and have changed everything including the pistons and still no good . i have just brought a new rocker shaft from paddocks for £12 but havnt got around to changing it yet . if you can wait untill next weekend i will let you know if it worked . but i would say that the problem would either be rocker shaft,sticking valves or tappit guids sticking as those are the only thing i havnt changed. p,s when you start her up make sure she is in gear and as soon as she starts to rev find the biteing point and the smoke seems to stop strait away. its not the best but it saves the embarisment untill i fix it. pps let me know how you get on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick w Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 sounds like we should start a smokey starters club mine is the same think its just age no one seems to have a specific fix for this as i think it can be any one of many things never mind it upsets the eco warriors anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyfarmerboy Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 yup, mine did the same at 109,000 miles, except the engine is on the floor next to the car, will see what happens, think i am going for a daihatasu conversion, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam5809 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 yea, mine smokes too, still going strong at 133000 though so im not overly worried my mates have started calling the truck Ozone after its smoking habit on startup, their not the most creative bunch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeymantulp Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 First post here!!! I have the same issue too, can i join the smokey starters club? Mine's racked up 153k tho so think it's almost time for the 200tdi conversion when i have the money and facilities! (p.s thanks for the great site, very helpful!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 First post here!!!I have the same issue too, can i join the smokey starters club? Mine's racked up 153k tho so think it's almost time for the 200tdi conversion when i have the money and facilities! (p.s thanks for the great site, very helpful!!!) mine the same (1988/90)clouds of some , like the start of a jack the ripper movie!!!, Ive love it its part of landrover ownership -like leaks-like breakdowns ect-ect-ect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickydicky Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 hi there,i have just aquired a 2.5 td 110, and it has a bit of a starting issue.. ~(beleive it or not.. LOL) i turn the key just before starting it and hold it for about 20-30 seconds while the choke light comes on, to heat the glow plugs i was told, but it still takes ages to fire up. then a load of white smoke comes out the exhaust for a few seconds. then it clears and runs fine. checked the oil, and water, both are ok, not creamy or smelly, so am assuming its un burnt diesel? how do i check the glow plugs without taking them out? can i check the resistance or something? or am i barking up the wrong tree? Cheers, CURLYdont bother changing the rocker shaft it did improve a litle and i definatly got more power it is definatly some thing to do whith the valve train Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_P Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 I've not come across a well used TD (i.e. 100ish k) that does not create the infamous smoke screen on starting. Even one I know that is in excellent condition generates a white cloud when firing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CURLY Posted June 29, 2009 Author Share Posted June 29, 2009 I've not come across a well used TD (i.e. 100ish k) that does not create the infamous smoke screen on starting. Even one I know that is in excellent condition generates a white cloud when firing up. he he thats what the guy i bought it off has been saying, but i didn't beleive him! its starting to chuff out a bit of blue smoke on startup too, but not overly worried as i will be 200 tdi'ing it soon! i took off the fuse and relay box cover in the cab, (under the dash.) and when i click the key on the spring to glow the plugs, all 5 relays click..?? plus when its on tick over, one of them clicks on and off with revs!!?? sounds like a rattle! he he but they individually click for different things too, like the indecators i think.. think i might have a serious amount of gremlins in there somewhere! better get my wiring hat out.. any ideas?? CURLY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CURLY Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 Just got the volt meter out and tested it at the glow plugs, and its only 9.5 volts?? the battery is at 12.5 volts though.. that cant be normal can it? CURLY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest otchie1 Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Just got the volt meter out and tested it at the glow plugs, and its only 9.5 volts??the battery is at 12.5 volts though.. that cant be normal can it? CURLY check your earthing strap but really, give up - THEY ALL SMOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CURLY Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 check your earthing strap but really, give up - THEY ALL SMOKE not fussed about the smoke as much as the cranking it over for 30 seconds before it starts! will check the earth strap though, that might help a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cieranc Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 30 seconds of cranking??? Lift pump or poor compression. It should start without glow plugs in this warm weather. For the sake of £15 I would put a lift pump on it. That much cranking suggests the diesel system is trying to bleed itself before it fires up, or the injector pump is getting a bad back trying to draw fuel from the tank on its own. My old TD took a lot of cranking before firing up, usually needed 3 goes of the heater plugs. But it was knackered. Proper knackered, very low compression and huge oil consumption. Even then it fired up after about 8 seconds, in winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CURLY Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 maybe 30 seconds is a bit of an exageration, but it does take a while. i think if the earth strap doesn't help, i'm going to put a relay in there direct from the battery on a push switch for the glow plugs. does anyone know what size relay i should use? its gonna have to be a pretty hefty one i'd imagine.. CURLY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
errol209 Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 maybe 30 seconds is a bit of an exageration, but it does take a while. i think if the earth strap doesn't help, i'm going to put a relay in there direct from the battery on a push switch for the glow plugs. does anyone know what size relay i should use? its gonna have to be a pretty hefty one i'd imagine.. CURLY The glow plugs pull about 80A from very cold, so I'd suggest a 100A relay jobbie - Eblag, Vehicle Wiring Products or Auto Electrical Supplies all carry them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CURLY Posted July 2, 2009 Author Share Posted July 2, 2009 nice one, thanks for that mate. CURLY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest otchie1 Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 nice one, thanks for that mate. CURLY probably best to do the old check on the heater plugs first. Wind them out and pass 12V through them using jump leads straight off the battery. If they don't glow bright they're scrap. Watch your fingers. Hot hot hot :-) Mine needed 20 seconds of glow plugs in all weather to start and compression was down. It didn't take much cranking but I did have a new starter motor and a good battery (huge difference). You can check your earth path by using a jump lead to short the engine out straight to your batt -ve - if it turns over faster then you've found your problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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