Hybrid_From_Hell Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Lookie, lookie, lookie..... well, as they asked so nicely I have e-mailed them with my "Thoughts & Views" funnily enough Mr R Green and his attitude, closemindedness, arrogance and stupidity ley alone his unbelivable lack of foresight in what a little gold mine he could have had / used for the Cr^p Mag all seemed to get an airing.....Not exactly guessing I'll get a reply but hey.... You should do what they ask, ....and let them know, I mean, it would be rude not to ....now wouldn't it ! So, wheres yer manners and do what they have asked - give them some "Feedback" Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrbitalPear Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 So they've removed the childish and petulant statement that was there previously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted August 20, 2005 Author Share Posted August 20, 2005 Yeop, Prob he going to sulk now Nige PS did you get my cheque Keef ? What was the final total ? Was the paint washoffable ? And did it ? Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuko Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Writing an email..................................... Todd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrbitalPear Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Final total (for the Billing section) was £1240 plus change. Theres a military rally on bank holiday weekend in Durham City thats going to feature a Pink lightweight and a yellow coiled 101. That should be good for a laugh with the re-enactor lads. Cheers for all the support. LRE still havent replied to any of the emails I sent asknig for permission to collect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NegevLandRover Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 So they've removed the childish and petulant statement that was there previously? Does that mean that they are amnogst us here ?! Should I be worried I sent them a nice e-mail too but I doubt I'll get a reply. Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exmoor Beast Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 I wrote: It saddens me that you have seen fit to shut down the LRE Forum.I am sure you are so arrogant as to not care about those true enthusiasts it effects and therefore not give a fig about anything I say so I won't bother. I will just say I have enjoyed serving the forum as moderator and am thoroughly Mildly miffed off. Will Bowden Sure he won't read it so kept it simple... Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted August 20, 2005 Author Share Posted August 20, 2005 Quality.... I thought Byron was dead, then I saw it was from you..... Uncanny Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve King Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Well if they want feedback they can have it, no problem! I sent them this:- Regarding the original message from the administator (sic) on the closed LRE forum. "This closure is purely a commercial decision." Obviously nothing to do with most people migrating to LRA then! Please inform Mr Green that I will never buy another copy of LRE again.... (not that I bought it very often in the first place!) Steve King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuko Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 "Quote" "We regret to announce the closure of the LRE forum. We no longer believe that the forum is used for the purpose for which it was intended. The regular postings by a few mindless individuals are of no interest to the majority of our users and certainly not to the magazine. Although the technical support section was well liked sadly it too became tainted by the activities of a minority of individuals intent on filling space without any real purpose or value. This closure is purely a commercial decision." "Unquote"Signed by "Forum administator" Was that you Mr. Green ??? How rude and ignorant can one man be? You've always displayed a negative attitude towards the "forum administators" and the moderator's. They did there best to represent your magazine, always following your instructions, weather they were good or bad, they did it. You displayed a selfish attitude towards them, not ever saying thanks for the hard work. When they asked for some support from you (considering that they are not paid for the service that they are providing), for free passes to the Billings show, that's where you stomped your feet, finally drawing the line in the sand, with closing of the forum. Over the pass few years, LRE forum has always been "the place" for the Land Rover owner, who needed technical help, suggestions, tips and support. The "forum administators", moderator's and forum members, willingly provided you and others with a wealth of Land Rover information, knowledge and skills. Others used our information, but, you, refused our suggestions and help. You, ever so nicely, began the name calling, by calling us "mindless individuals", absolutely brilliant, Mr. Green. Then you go even further, by stating that the information that we willingly provided to other forum users was "without any real purpose or value". Thanks for the pat on the back! The more I sit here and read the post that you authorized, to be posted on the internet yesterday, the more I become frustrated and insulted. BUT, I have no intentions of lowering myself to your standards or ignorance, Mr. Green. You've always wanted to shut the forum down, well, you've done it, hope your happy. We, the "mindless individuals" have moved on. There's certainly a sour taste in our mouths, but, it'll go away, just as the LRE forum has done. All the best with your magazine, I certainly won't be subscribing. Todd Jackson. Well, I guess my email may have been a little long winded, but it felt good! Todd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budgie Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Copy of my email to them: Dear Sir,May I refer to the comments left by your administrator on the LRE Forum when you decided to close it. "We regret to announce the closure of the LRE forum. We no longer believe that the forum is used for the purpose for which it was intended. The regular postings by a few mindless individuals are of no interest to the majority of our users and certainly not to the magazine. Although the technical support section was well liked sadly it too became tainted by the activities of a minority of individuals intent on filling space without any real purpose or value. This closure is purely a commercial decision. Should you be looking for a new forum we strongly recommend The Land Rover Chronicles run by one of our correspondents." As someone who has followed the forum and editorial team since the old days when you were LRO, has attended the LRO/LRE show at Billing for over ten years now and holds LRE subscription number 198, I feel that the personal slur on me and the other members of the forum in the above public announcement is neither warranted, necessary or something I would expect from a company such as yours. From the above explanation, which has now changed I note, I can see that you have not read, understood or taken an interest in YOUR forum for quite some time. I visited the forum nearly every day and have not seen any instances that come close to what you refer to. You also seem a little confused as to why you felt it necessary to terminate the longest running Land Rover based forum on the internet. Was it because of the "mindless individuals" or "a commercial decision"? The part that really gets to me is that you include fraises like "individuals intent on filling space without any real purpose or value", when over 50% of your own magazine consists of adverts with very little useful information between the adverts for the real ENTHUSIAST whom you claim to write the magazine for in the first place. You have terminated a prime source of technical information that could have been used within the pages of your publication. There was a vast range of knowledge about every aspect of maintaining, refurbishing and modifying a Land Rover. If I ever needed a proper, unbiased product review then I simply asked on the forum. The only product reviews that we see in the magazines are what the companies selling the items want us to read, there are never any practical tests done any more because of the threat of litigation if you say their product is rubbish. Finally, it saddens me to say that, because of your actions over the forum and the lack of content of late in your publication, my subscription will not be renewed when it is next due. I can not see the point in me spending good money on a publication that is mostly adverts and whose articles and product reviews are only repeats of what the other Land Rover magazines reported a month earlier. Martin Collins (Budgie) No: 198 I had time on my hands and felt like a rant!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Morgan Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 All the above is fine, but always presuming it was Mr. Verdigris that penned or authourised that Bon Voyage message. It was signed "Forum Administrator". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 From the initial post here in this thread do LRE really expect us to meet them in "Friends Reunited"! Furthermore why do they still carry the disclaimer when the Forum is closed. Sheer incompetence or is it the headless chicken environment. I bet the word forum is now a healthy earner for the swear box in the LRE office. More's the pity, still it's they that shot themselves in the foot! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Reedy Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 As a long-standing contributor to that forum and occasional reader of that magazine, I would add that the "commercial" reason can only be the cost. When there are no less than four magazines fighting for a share of a small, specialised readership, I would imagine that the competition is immense. You only have to look at the proportion of advertising to see this. I remember somebody posting or writing some time a go that the technical jobs covered by the magazines were always non-contentious simple non-risky things like fitting a snorkel and never anything really helpful to the amateur mechanic. The problem with the letter above is that no magazine would ever dare publish some of the recommendations that appear in the forums because they are, by their very nature, risky, amateur and strictly unapproved. Imagine the litigation if, for example, somebody injured themselves after following a magazine's recommendation to remove a crank pulley nut by wedging a big spanner on the nut then turning the engine over on the starter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Ben I'm just off to A&E, what's the name and address of your solicitor's please? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siggy Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 I just fired this off to the publisher email... {QUOTE} FROM THE LRe forum: We regret to announce the closure of the LRE forum. We no longer believe that the forum is used for the purpose for which it was intended. The regular postings by a few mindless individuals are of no interest to the majority of our users and certainly not to the magazine. Although the technical support section was well liked sadly it too became tainted by the activities of a minority of individual’s intent on filling space without any real purpose or value. This closure is purely a commercial decision. [END OF QUOTE]To Mr. R Green Re the above statement As a former member of the above forum and a current subscriber to your magazine I felt I needed to send this email to tell you how I feel about your decision. And also to tell you that I will not be renewing my subscription next time. I am glad you have closed the above forum, BUT not because of “the regular postings by a few mindless individuals are of no interest to the majority of our users and certainly not to the magazineâ€, not that as a regular member I saw any, BUT because of YOUR narrow mindedness and backwards attitude to the most rapidly expanding technology on this planet. Please note paper publishing is now dead, after all you can only report things in your magazine that are months old where as the internet can report things minutes old. A battle you will lose. This rapidly expanding technology should be something you’re embracing So once again thank you for closing the forum now: DO US ALL A FAVOUR AND CLOSE THE LANDROVER ENTHUSIAST MAGAZINE AS IT IS AN INSULT TO THE TRUE ENTHUSIASTS THAT YOU SADLY ARE NOT. Also the statement said “This closure is purely a commercial decision.†So it’s all about YOU losing money because a bunch of some of the most honest people on this planet who also happen to share a common interest can give more accurate information and advice and can even arrange meets to fix the problems with there vehicles. Something your hard working reporters must feel strongly about. I pity them after all they are the ones making your magazine work or more accurately “failing†due to management constraints and meddling. So once again DO US ALL A FAVOUR AND CLOSE THE LANDROVER ENTHUSIAST MAGAZINE AS IT IS AN INSULT TO THE TRUE ENTHUSIASTS THAT YOU SADLY ARE NOT. One further point if you buy a copy of the Land rover Owner International Magazine and look on page 210 you will see a small box entitled Q&A on lro.com Just in case you won’t go and buy this magazine, a better read in my honest opinion. I will tell you what it says “Technical advice is also available from fellow LRO readers on our website (www.lro.com). Many readers are experienced home mechanics; some even work in the garage trade, so they can suggest solutions to your technical problems†A forward looking view of the service a internet based forum can give. Yours Faithfully Martin Sigsworth {/QUOTE} I hope it makes sense as I've just finished my eighth 14 hour night shift in a row Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 All the above is fine, but always presuming it was Mr. Verdigris that penned or authourised that Bon Voyage message.It was signed "Forum Administrator". Very true Des. The only people who really know about the internal politics that went on beind closed doors at LRE Towers are the individuals concerned. The rest of us were only ever fed a line or two when it suited their own ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 My contribution: "Sorry to see you have closed your forum. It was a useful source of unbiased technical info - unlike the advertiser biased twaddle you publish in your mag." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Castrol Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 I would guess that the publisher@landroverenthusiast.com email address is a filter to Kevin Girling or Mike Lamont, and that Richard Green will never see your comments. If you reallywant your comments to reach Mr. Green, you should re-send them to richard.green@landroverenthusiast.com Can't hurt to try, can it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuko Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 If you reallywant your comments to reach Mr. Green, you should re-send them to richard.green@landroverenthusiast.com Is the above an accurate email address? If so, I'll resent to him! Todd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drongo Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 If you reallywant your comments to reach Mr. Green, you should re-send them to richard.green@landroverenthusiast.com Is the above an accurate email address? If so, I'll resent to him! Todd. It is... That's the email I used and he seemed to get mine ok... He never did reply, but he did seem to want to shut the forum pretty quick because of it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budgie Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 The problem with the letter above is that no magazine would ever dare publish some of the recommendations that appear in the forums because they are, by their very nature, risky, amateur and strictly unapproved.Imagine the litigation if, for example, somebody injured themselves after following a magazine's recommendation to remove a crank pulley nut by wedging a big spanner on the nut then turning the engine over on the starter! I'm not saying print our advice word for word but they could have used our experiences with the likes of the pitfalls with suspension lifts, how it can effect the steering and why you may find your anti roll bars flip over on full articulation etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted August 23, 2005 Author Share Posted August 23, 2005 anyone had a reply from LRE or Mr *R**H***Green Just wondering Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john cranfield Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 Having served as a moderator from the earliest days when the forum was under the wing of LRO magazine I was bitterly disappointed in the closure of the LRe forum.I was a vocal supporter of the magazine among Land Rover enthusiasts here in North America, feeling a pride in being part of "the team", no matter how small a part It seems to me a very odd and short sighted move that can only damage the long term well fare of LRe magazine. A more intelligent and beneficial approach would have been to fully embrace the forum and its many supporters, seeking ways to enhance the relationship between magazine and forum. Life, however, moves on and virtually all the supporters of LRe forum have transferred their allegiance to a new one controlled by the former moderators. Your rash move can only damage your business venture and is now impossible to reverse. Just sent to the publisher John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exmoor Beast Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 Well said John at the end of the day none of us are happy at the demise of the the LRE forum... The forum was bigger than LRE or especially Richard Green Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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