Jump to content

Lre Forum Closed - And Look....


Recommended Posts

Lookie, lookie, lookie.....

LREMedium.jpg

well, as they asked so nicely I have e-mailed them with my "Thoughts & Views" :D

funnily enough Mr R Green and his attitude, closemindedness, arrogance and stupidity ley alone his unbelivable lack of foresight in what a little gold mine he could have had / used for the Cr^p Mag all seemed to get an airing.....Not exactly guessing I'll get a reply but hey.... :lol:

You should do what they ask, ....and let them know,

I mean, it would be rude not to ....now wouldn't it !

So, wheres yer manners and do what they have asked - give them some "Feedback" :lol:

Nige :P

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Final total (for the Billing section) was £1240 plus change. Theres a military rally on bank holiday weekend in Durham City thats going to feature a Pink lightweight and a yellow coiled 101. That should be good for a laugh with the re-enactor lads.

Cheers for all the support.

LRE still havent replied to any of the emails I sent asknig for permission to collect.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I wrote:

It saddens me that you have seen fit to shut down the LRE Forum.

I am sure you are so arrogant as to not care about those true enthusiasts it effects and therefore not give a fig about anything I say so I won't bother.

I will just say I have enjoyed serving the forum as moderator and am thoroughly Mildly miffed off.

Will Bowden

Sure he won't read it so kept it simple...

Will :(

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Well if they want feedback they can have it, no problem! I sent them this:-

Regarding the original message from the administator (sic) on the closed LRE forum.

"This closure is purely a commercial decision."

Obviously nothing to do with most people migrating to LRA then!

Please inform Mr Green that I will never buy another copy of LRE again.... (not that I bought it very often in the first place!)

Steve King

:lol:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

"Quote" "We regret to announce the closure of the LRE forum. We no longer believe that the forum is used for the purpose for which it was intended. The regular postings by a few mindless individuals are of no interest to the majority of our users and certainly not to the magazine. Although the technical support section was well liked sadly it too became tainted by the activities of a minority of individuals intent on filling space without any real purpose or value. This closure is purely a commercial decision." "Unquote"

Signed by "Forum administator" 

Was that you Mr. Green ??? How rude and ignorant can one man be?

You've always displayed a negative attitude towards the "forum administators" and the moderator's. They did there best to represent your magazine, always following your instructions, weather they were good or bad, they did it.  You displayed a selfish attitude towards them, not ever saying thanks for the hard work.

When they asked for some support from you (considering that they are not paid for the service that they are providing), for free passes to the Billings show, that's where you stomped your feet, finally drawing the line in the sand, with closing of the forum.

Over the pass few years, LRE forum has always been "the place" for the Land Rover owner, who needed technical help, suggestions, tips and support. The "forum administators", moderator's and forum members, willingly provided you and others with a wealth of Land Rover information, knowledge and skills. Others used our information, but, you, refused our suggestions and help.

You, ever so nicely, began the name calling, by calling us "mindless individuals", absolutely brilliant, Mr. Green. Then you go even further, by stating that the information that we willingly provided to other forum users was "without any real purpose or value". Thanks for the pat on the back!

The more I sit here and read the post that you authorized, to be posted on the internet yesterday, the more I become frustrated and insulted.

BUT, I have no intentions of lowering myself to your standards or ignorance, Mr. Green. You've always wanted to shut the forum down, well, you've done it, hope your happy. We, the "mindless individuals" have moved on. There's certainly a sour taste in our mouths, but, it'll go away, just as the LRE forum has done.

All the best with your magazine, I certainly won't be subscribing.

Todd Jackson.

Well, I guess my email may have been a little long winded, but it felt good! :P

Todd.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Copy of my email to them:

Dear Sir,

May I refer to the comments left by your administrator on the LRE Forum when

you decided to close it.

"We regret to announce the closure of the LRE forum. We no longer believe

that the forum is used for the purpose for which it was intended. The regular

postings by a few mindless individuals are of no interest to the majority

of our users and certainly not to the magazine. Although the technical support

section was well liked sadly it too became tainted by the activities of a

minority of individuals intent on filling space without any real purpose

or value. This closure is purely a commercial decision.

Should you be looking for a new forum we strongly recommend The Land Rover

Chronicles run by one of our correspondents."

As someone who has followed the forum and editorial team since the old days

when you were LRO, has attended the LRO/LRE show at Billing for over ten

years now and holds LRE subscription number 198, I feel that the personal

slur on me and the other members of the forum in the above public announcement

is neither warranted, necessary or something I would expect from a company

such as yours.

From the above explanation, which has now changed I note, I can see that

you have not read, understood or taken an interest in YOUR forum for quite

some time. I visited the forum nearly every day and have not seen any instances

that come close to what you refer to.

You also seem a little confused as to why you felt it necessary to terminate

the longest running Land Rover based forum on the internet. Was it because

of the "mindless individuals" or "a commercial decision"?

The part that really gets to me is that you include fraises like "individuals

intent on filling space without any real purpose or value", when over 50%

of your own magazine consists of adverts with very little useful information

between the adverts for the real ENTHUSIAST whom you claim to write the magazine

for in the first place.

You have terminated a prime source of technical information that could have

been used within the pages of your publication. There was a vast range of

knowledge about every aspect of maintaining, refurbishing and modifying a

Land Rover. If I ever needed a proper, unbiased product review then I simply

asked on the forum. The only product reviews that we see in the magazines

are what the companies selling the items want us to read, there are never

any practical tests done any more because of the threat of litigation if

you say their product is rubbish. 

Finally, it saddens me to say that, because of your actions over the forum

and the lack of content of late in your publication, my subscription will

not be renewed when it is next due. I can not see the point in me spending

good money on a publication that is mostly adverts and whose articles and

product reviews are only repeats of what the other Land Rover magazines reported

a month earlier.

Martin Collins (Budgie)

No: 198

I had time on my hands and felt like a rant!! :lol:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

From the initial post here in this thread do LRE really expect us to meet them in "Friends Reunited"!

Furthermore why do they still carry the disclaimer when the Forum is closed.

Sheer incompetence or is it the headless chicken environment.

I bet the word forum is now a healthy earner for the swear box in the LRE office.

More's the pity, still it's they that shot themselves in the foot!

John

Link to comment
Share on other sites

As a long-standing contributor to that forum and occasional reader of that magazine, I would add that the "commercial" reason can only be the cost. When there are no less than four magazines fighting for a share of a small, specialised readership, I would imagine that the competition is immense. You only have to look at the proportion of advertising to see this.

I remember somebody posting or writing some time a go that the technical jobs covered by the magazines were always non-contentious simple non-risky things like fitting a snorkel and never anything really helpful to the amateur mechanic. The problem with the letter above is that no magazine would ever dare publish some of the recommendations that appear in the forums because they are, by their very nature, risky, amateur and strictly unapproved.

Imagine the litigation if, for example, somebody injured themselves after following a magazine's recommendation to remove a crank pulley nut by wedging a big spanner on the nut then turning the engine over on the starter!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I just fired this off to the publisher email...

{QUOTE}

FROM THE LRe forum: We regret to announce the closure of the LRE forum. We no longer believe that the forum is used for the purpose for which it was intended. The regular postings by a few mindless individuals are of no interest to the majority of our users and certainly not to the magazine. Although the technical support section was well liked sadly it too became tainted by the activities of a minority of individual’s intent on filling space without any real purpose or value. This closure is purely a commercial decision. [END OF QUOTE]

To Mr. R Green

Re the above statement

As a former member of the above forum and a current subscriber to your magazine I felt I needed to send this email to tell you how I feel about your decision. And also to tell you that I will not be renewing my subscription next time.

I am glad you have closed the above forum, BUT not because of “the regular postings by a few mindless individuals are of no interest to the majority of our users and certainly not to the magazineâ€, not that as a regular member I saw any, BUT because of YOUR narrow mindedness and backwards attitude to the most rapidly expanding technology on this planet. Please note paper publishing is now dead, after all you can only report things in your magazine that are months old where as the internet can report things minutes old. A battle you will lose. This rapidly expanding technology should be something you’re embracing

So once again thank you for closing the forum now:

DO US ALL A FAVOUR AND CLOSE THE LANDROVER ENTHUSIAST MAGAZINE AS IT IS AN INSULT TO THE TRUE ENTHUSIASTS THAT YOU SADLY ARE NOT.

Also the statement said “This closure is purely a commercial decision.†So it’s all about YOU losing money because a bunch of some of the most honest people on this planet who also happen to share a common interest can give more accurate information and advice and can even arrange meets to fix the problems with there vehicles. Something your hard working reporters must feel strongly about. I pity them after all they are the ones making your magazine work or more accurately “failing†due to management constraints and meddling.

So once again DO US ALL A FAVOUR AND CLOSE THE LANDROVER ENTHUSIAST MAGAZINE AS IT IS AN INSULT TO THE TRUE ENTHUSIASTS THAT YOU SADLY ARE NOT.

One further point if you buy a copy of the Land rover Owner International Magazine and look on page 210 you will see a small box entitled Q&A on lro.com

Just in case you won’t go and buy this magazine, a better read in my honest opinion. I will tell you what it says

“Technical advice is also available from fellow LRO readers on our website (www.lro.com). Many readers are experienced home mechanics; some even work in the garage trade, so they can suggest solutions to your technical problems†A forward looking view of the service a internet based forum can give.

Yours Faithfully

Martin Sigsworth

{/QUOTE}

I hope it makes sense as I've just finished my eighth 14 hour night shift in a row

Link to comment
Share on other sites

All the above is fine, but always presuming it was Mr. Verdigris that penned or authourised that Bon Voyage message.

It was signed "Forum Administrator". :rolleyes:

Very true Des. The only people who really know about the internal politics that went on beind closed doors at LRE Towers are the individuals concerned. The rest of us were only ever fed a line or two when it suited their own ends.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The problem with the letter above is that no magazine would ever dare publish some of the recommendations that appear in the forums because they are, by their very nature, risky, amateur and strictly unapproved.

Imagine the litigation if, for example, somebody injured themselves after following a magazine's recommendation to remove a crank pulley nut by wedging a big spanner on the nut then turning the engine over on the starter!

I'm not saying print our advice word for word but they could have used our experiences with the likes of the pitfalls with suspension lifts, how it can effect the steering and why you may find your anti roll bars flip over on full articulation etc etc.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Having served as a moderator from the earliest days when the forum was under the wing of LRO magazine I was bitterly disappointed in the closure of the LRe forum.

I was a vocal supporter of the magazine among Land Rover enthusiasts here in North America, feeling a pride in being part of  "the team", no matter how small a part

It seems to me a very odd and short sighted move that can only damage the long term well fare of LRe magazine. A more intelligent and beneficial approach would have been to fully embrace the forum and its many supporters, seeking ways to enhance the relationship between magazine and forum.

Life, however, moves on and virtually all the supporters of LRe forum have transferred their allegiance to a new one controlled by the former moderators.

Your rash move can only damage your business venture and is now impossible to reverse.

Just sent to the publisher

John

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We use cookies to ensure you get the best experience. By using our website you agree to our Cookie Policy