minivin Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 BBC and papers seem to think 4x4's are going to be hit: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4823056.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 The English are denied a parliament. England in the PM and the deputy pM doesn't exist. I eat rat poison mike I can cause trouble in an empty house !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Seems hugely unfair to me, not to mention a classic case of "bandwagon" politics. My old 110 is a great workhorse, is 20 years old so isn't using resources in manufacture (cars use up more energy being made than in their lifetime of fuel consumption, on average), and I use it for relatively few miles per year. I have a limited mileage policy. Compare this to the BMW X5 (or similar) owner who does 30-40,000 miles per year, but will pay a similar level of road tax. Strikes me as just a little in-equitable. Perhaps I should just cough up a million, get a peerage and then have my say in the "other place". Beats voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 The whole thing is a pile of cr@p anyway.... on the radio they were saying "4x4s are going to be extra taxed because they are do dirty" well, i though that all engines had to pass the MoT emmisions test? so why would a 2.5 diesel in a 4x4 be any more "dirty" than a 2.5 FX4 taxi? or a 2.5 vauxhall omega? It's just w@@ker B Liar sucking up to the tree huggers and not being interested in anyone else. i bet if every illegal immigrant in this cr@ap country drove a 4x4, then suddenly they'd be totally PC.... it's just he's trying to please all the folk who will guarantee him a vote next year. I just WISH we would have something like a tsunami or mega bad winter type thing where they would plead for 4x4 owners to help out... i'd tell them right where to stick it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisha Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 they should remove road tax and lump it into the fuel duty - more fuel = more tax . . . tht way everyone is equally taxed proportionally. tax disc validation then gets moved over to an insurance / MOT disc. i.e. when you apply for insurance, the insurance company look up the DVLA status of the MOT, and along with your certificate, they issue with a disc to display showing that the car is both insured and MOT'ed. that way its bloody clear if the person is insured or not. (obviously there are various situations of SORN etc, but the basic principle is what i mean ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy110 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Interestingly non of the tax experts or city analysts think he will go after larger engined cars. He didn't mention it in the pre budget report either. I(and they) think he will go for the big business option. A far more popular option in your last budget before you become PM i would think. The 4x4 thing appears to be tabloid scaremongering (again). Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 It still get me that My Disco new was £47k = £7k tax My wife's focus £15k = £2,234 tax I think that rests the case The greens will still compare the two cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Raider Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 well iam going to go sit in my truck with a glass of some thing and a ciggy.... bugger the lot of them! in for a penny in for a pound!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Slighty off topic, but i;m trying to find the Co2 emissions for a 300Tdi defender. anyone know? I can find plenty for Td5's (which is 299g/km) but that doesn't really affect me as my Td5 is company paid! B) but my 90 is my own (and 300Tdi). funnily enough, i've got to re-tax it as it runs out the end of the month, so i'll be hurrying to the post office ASAP before B Liars crony Mr Brown shafts us all yet again God i hate this government! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_T Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 There is no rating for a 300Tdi because it ceased production before the March 2001 deadline. It will not therefore come in for the "4x4 gas guzzling" tax. Only vehicles registered on or after 31 March 2001 will get caught. Hence it seems that an old 110 will be OK and the new X5 will get any higher tax rate relating to emissions. Hope this makes sense! My TD5 was registered in 1999 so will also not cop for it. But is you have a TD5 registered on or after 31 March 2001 you will get caught....unless the rules are all changed of course! If your truck was registered before the deadline you will be paying on the old cc related tax bands...which of course Mr Brown is free to change as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Fisha - tax those that travel at the pumps hey? and the alternative is? use public tpt? yeah right!! i do a 150 mile day commute so pay a fair whack in fuel as it as, thats a good 3hrs a day in the car, Using local tpt and the rail network, after getting the 15miles to the train station from home (by foot i guess/cycle - no buses available within 4miles and mnon at that time of evening or morning that run anyway.) to meet work start time i need to be there the night before to catch a train that allows a connection to be made the following mornign to get me in on time. so thats a night away from home on a platform and some 14hrs travel. Or i could go the following morning, having got to the station and two train journeys later i can get in for 1130hrs then make the 6 mile trek (or get a bus so it works for this bit) to the office. Less than ideal and all that takes about 4hrs to do not including the to the station and station to the office bit hence the commute and own car use. My choice though i hear you say, yep i could sell up and move closer to work (it isint much to move house these days and stamp duty is a bargain!) but then i suppose my wife would have the opposite commute, or should we both change lifestyles to suit the taxman? In the end the rail network won't support my journeys and far more expensive to use even if it did (even with railcard). so that means despite what road tax goes to or/and increases at the pumps choices are limited. So a good proportion of what i earn goes to the taxman as it is, therefore incentive to work reduces. Anyone know what you get for being on the doll? (a sort of return on my investment - may be the way fwd) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02GF74 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Don't worry folks, there will be no increase in tax. Gordy, as I like to call him, lives next door to me and I said to him last night before we went out bat spotting: "You increasa da tax, I smasha ya face", to which he replied "ok I won't". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 In days gone by we all used to work near to our homes. Nowadays, for some reason, people see the need to make long commutes to get to work and back. I guess that this is about making more money while still living in a cheap house/nice area? IMHO it is not sustainable though and I agree with the idea of charging road tax on a per/mile or fuel used basis. Needless to say, I do not make a long commute and I never intend to, I would HATE it! Under a fuel taxed system I would be rather better off as I travel fewer than avarage miles - although my LR is rather heavier on fuel than a car. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Raider Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 public transport from our village is S*** not too bad for the likes of us (with cars) but the old people have a struggle to get to and from town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 There is no rating for a 300Tdi because it ceased production before the March 2001 deadline. It will not therefore come in for the "4x4 gas guzzling" tax. Only vehicles registered on or after 31 March 2001 will get caught. Hence it seems that an old 110 will be OK and the new X5 will get any higher tax rate relating to emissions. Hope this makes sense!My TD5 was registered in 1999 so will also not cop for it. But is you have a TD5 registered on or after 31 March 2001 you will get caught....unless the rules are all changed of course! If your truck was registered before the deadline you will be paying on the old cc related tax bands...which of course Mr Brown is free to change as well! /Homer voice/ WOO-HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minivin Posted March 22, 2006 Author Share Posted March 22, 2006 Which radio station is doing full, un-interupted, coverage of the budget, effing Radio 2 keeps putting effing music on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dottythe90 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 According to the BBC site earlier today, it looks like anything over emissions of 250g/km will now attract a road tax of £200/year. Nothing more than a money grabbing exercise while providing some 'green spin' as it will have precisely s*d all effect on the number of vehicles on the road, or sales of new ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I am watching it live on the BBC website. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minivin Posted March 22, 2006 Author Share Posted March 22, 2006 I am watching it live on the BBC website.Chris Unfortunately QQ decide to bloke live streaming from the BBC website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minivin Posted March 22, 2006 Author Share Posted March 22, 2006 Think I found one on our nasty works radio...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minivin Posted March 22, 2006 Author Share Posted March 22, 2006 £210 Tax for most polluting cars £0 Tax for least polluting cars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 £210 Tax for most polluting cars The top 1% IIRC. RRs and the like I suppose. If you have 60k for a RR I don't think that a few extra quid will make any odds. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 And at least fuel did not go up. Fags up 9p/pack from tomorrow. No increase on spirits, champagne, cider 4p on wine 1p on beer. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minivin Posted March 22, 2006 Author Share Posted March 22, 2006 The top 1% IIRC. RRs and the like I suppose. If you have 60k for a RR I don't think that a few extra quid will make any odds.Chris yup, from what I've read previously, vehicles older then ten years aint listed for the carbon produced so the use of the likes of V8's in RRC's and Series et cetera should still come under the "cc" system as at present, shall hopefully see soon if they are putting that up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Raider Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 why do you want to watch/listen to it in full now? just wait till you get home and catch the "highlights" on the 6oclock news we cant do anything about it now.? it probably/might effect me but i am having a fag and some lunch instead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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