tweetyduck Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 I'm looking at a vehicle for sale and the owner has said its had a new engine fitted. Origional LandRover recon and the Engine is stamped XX. There's some sort of landrover plate attached to the engine but the Engine number is stamped XX. Not seen it yet as i was going down this afternoon. I don't think the V5C has been changed as the old Engine was sold for parts. So the old engine number is still associated with this vehicle. Advice please ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 get all the details from the ident plate in writing & a photo, old engine number should have been removed from the V5 on notifying DVLA of the engine change, not legal to use the old engine number on a replacement engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweetyduck Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share Posted October 26, 2009 i've pm'd you the ident of the plate and the VIN. the V5C has the old engine number on it. He scrapped it and sold it for parts. He removed the old engine number off the block before he desposed of it. This one came from a disco he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Just replied to your PM, I would use the serial number on the plate as the correct ident for the engine & enclose a cover letter stating the info & what you've been told be the seller & 2 photo's one a close up so the plate info can be read & 1 a general overview to show the plates loaction in relation to the engine. hth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweetyduck Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share Posted October 26, 2009 Thanks a million. I will do just that. I was worried,,, but the HPI was fine and the vehicle should be mine tomorrow. Everything seems to be checking out. what have i done ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 bought a 1995 300tdi 110sw by the sound of it VIN details shown in Dark Red on this page http://www.landroveroneten.com/cgi-bin/vin_checker.cgi?vin=SALLDHMF7MA951903&action=Check+my+VIN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweetyduck Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 This is the stamp and the plate. I actually own it now ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Lucky fella, ETC1738E is the part number (I think that's what is says anyways....) Ralph will be able to tell you what it means, but as a 'service exchange unit' it could be a new engine, rather than a recon, which is even better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweetyduck Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 STC 1736E i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Hope this isnt considered a hijack, but i have exactly this on my 200tdi - engine number obviously removed with the markings Neil described... Except i cant find a plate. Do they often fall off? It was over 18months ago that i bought this engine - i posted on LRO at the time because i thought i'd bought a stolen engine. (i was a complete amatuer at the time and dodnt even think to check for the number when i bought it). I then informed the police. They investigated it, but said they wouldnt take it any further as there was nothing they could do without the engine number! Its always been in the back of my mind as i would never have knowingly bought a stolen engine and some day i hope to overland with it, but can seet he lack of an engine number being a problem at borders. Neils post has prompted me to ask for advice on this.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Lucky fella, ETC1738E is the part number (I think that's what is says anyways....) Ralph will be able to tell you what it means, but as a 'service exchange unit' it could be a new engine, rather than a recon, which is even better definitly a genuine LR exchange engine unit, LR part STC1736E Microcat states this engine stripped,engine code 16L,2.5 TDI Gemini3, manual, 300 series exchange,2.5litre in line 4 cylinder,300Tdi,diesel turbo so you can be 100% certain it's a kosher factory exchange engine, probably fitted under a warranty claim against a failed engine. I would enter the ABB number as the engine serial number on the V5 & send to DVLA with as much proof of it being genuine LR dealer fitted as possible. don't forget if you go ahead & but we like lots of photo's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Hope this isnt considered a hijack, but i have exactly this on my 200tdi - engine number obviously removed with the markings Neil described... Except i cant find a plate. Do they often fall off? It was over 18months ago that i bought this engine - i posted on LRO at the time because i thought i'd bought a stolen engine. (i was a complete amatuer at the time and dodnt even think to check for the number when i bought it). I then informed the police. They investigated it, but said they wouldnt take it any further as there was nothing they could do without the engine number! Its always been in the back of my mind as i would never have knowingly bought a stolen engine and some day i hope to overland with it, but can seet he lack of an engine number being a problem at borders. Neils post has prompted me to ask for advice on this.. if you have a idea of it's previous vehicle [reg number] maybe LR can trace it's serial number & where it originates from. the plate may well have fallen off at some point 7 been unnoticed by the previous owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweetyduck Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 Mine came from a disco. I'll ask the guy what the reg of that was (donor vehicle). I think he took out the engine and then scrapped it. The garage has offered to stamp it with the ABB number but recon the VOSA centre may want to do it to make it official. I'd rather go the official route and they would rather i did as well. Is there any way of tracing it based on Engine number alone, the number on the plate? Who do I ask at LR ? A dealer ? If i can get the engine number to match the donor vehice reg i can then HPI it to check its been scrapped and i'm home and dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I would go for the VOSA option too. as for finding more detials with regard to the plate, suggest either the Heritage centre at Gaydon you would need the archive custodian, who maybe able to suggest who to contact at LR Solihull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 From what I gleamed yesyerday. XX is a factory exchange engine, this engine is the factory repaired old unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweetyduck Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 Thanks Mike thats good to know. Its looking more official each day. I'm waiting for the police to get back to me about what to do with the Engine number. They want to come to see it but i think thats pointless. I have photos of everything. They seem real eager to get out the office! One of them will surely have come across this before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 One of them will surely have come across this before. I wouldn't be so sure - i guess they are right to come and see it given the nuber of landies that get stolen. Its re-assuring really. Let us know what they say about the number. I'm presuming that you will have to have one for border checks etc and simply having 'NOT KNOWN' on the V5 wont be good enough at some borders... What do you think Mike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweetyduck Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 Happy Days ! Dear Mr Bird Thank you for your email. I have spoken with our Technical department and they have confirmed that this number has been issued with that engine, as a reconditioned unit, and is all legitimate. You can take your vehicle to an MOT station to have the engine re-stamped. I trust this answers your query. Kind regards Jeanette Taylor Customer Relations Executive Land Rover UK 01926 691517 jtayl498@jaguarlandrover.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweetyduck Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 I've just called VOSA and anyone can re-stamp it with the number now its confirmed. Changing the number on the DVLA is pretty easy but requires sending in the letter from Landrover as i have no proof where the engine came from. I think its all good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I wouldn't be so sure - i guess they are right to come and see it given the nuber of landies that get stolen. Its re-assuring really. Let us know what they say about the number. I'm presuming that you will have to have one for border checks etc and simply having 'NOT KNOWN' on the V5 wont be good enough at some borders... What do you think Mike? I don't think there'd be a problem ALONG AS. The vehicle chassis number The engine number, where ever it is Is on both the V5C and the Carnet de Passage. Oh yes. That nice letter from Land Rover would also help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Great result Neil I'd still get the VOSA guys to stamp the number on 7 ask for a note of comfirmation to state it was done by them, then send copies of the lot to DVLA with your amended V5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweetyduck Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 I've now traced the original owner of the vehicle who had the swap done and the subsequent owner/s. The forums are such a mine of info. I'm absolutely certain the engine is OK and should have no problem proving its origin. Thanks to all those that helped here with advice and pointers. I've now got to pick it up tomorrow and wait for the V5C to return so i can start the process of legitimising the engine. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 well done on the detective work, hope the 110 gives many years of great service & good adventures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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