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its nearly end of year bonus time at work, which means the one time per year i can actually afford to buy something for the truck!

this year its time to replace the mismatch of worn 7.5 r 16 tyres on the 110. the majority of my driving is road stuff, but i don't want to be embarrased when i finally get to go to a few pay and play sites this summer.

also, i would like to go for some wheels at the same time, so packages would be best. i think i want 265/75/16 but maybe 235/85 as these seem to be cheaper but whats best?

oh, the ones that have caught my eye are cooper discoverer st, cooper stt (maybe a bit too mud-based) and general at2. bf goodridge always get good reviews but i think they may be a bit rich!

thanks to the collective knowledge :-)

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BFG MT's will last tens of thousands of miles, if I had to pick an all-rounder it'd be them. Bit pricey if you cut a shiny new one off-road first time out, but great value if you do a lot of miles.

I'd have a lookout for people upgrading and selling sets of wheels & tyres, you may find yourself with a road set & a playing set for reasonable money if you can be bothered to swap.

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How many miles a year will you be doing on the road with these tyres?

If you are doing a fair amount, I'd be tempted to go for a track-edge type that used to be made by BFG, but the same pattern is now done by Insa Turbo. Now called the Traction Track, comes in both sizes you mention. Plus cheaper than a BFG as you say price is an issue.

They are a 50/50 tyre for road and offroad.

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if you only do 6k a year and a little bit of motorway work, i;d go with a remould from insa or fedima or marix etc.

most last quite well for what they are and they're dirt cheap. My greenway machos have lasted 20k miles so far and still have 8mm tread left on them! Not bad for an MT remould.

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I run general grabber 235/85/16 (same as come with a LR as standard) you often see on eBay people selling new/take off sets of these where they have replaced them with more aggressive tyres, I think they are a very underrated tyre and have been great I do a fair amount of light off road (genera pay and play etc) and they are a more than capable tyre and were very good in the snow, and very quiet on the road.

You would need new wheels but again could pick up a set of boost alloys if someone was changing them out again for not a lot of money. As an idea I recently brought a new set of 5 General Grabber tyres from eBay (and when I say new they had the bobbles on the sides!!) for £55.00 and a set of Boost alloys with nuts for £200.00 but have seen whole sets of wheels and tyres going again take off for around £310.00. They come with around 14mm of tread on them but anything under 10 mm is not worth bothering with.

Failing that Witham's often sell sets of Wolf rims and tyres for a decent price if you are again after something cheap.

Jason.

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moneys not too tight, i had discounted remoulds cos i had heard they're not as good as new tyres.

i think i can probably go to about £120 per tyre, which i know is close to BFG money but plus wheels i can't really go over £600 all in. the coopers and at2s seem to come out at £400 ish by themselves or £550 fitted on wheels

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I run general grabber 235/85/16 (same as come with a LR as standard) you often see on eBay people selling new/take off sets of these where they have replaced them with more aggressive tyres

That's true, you can get them dirt cheap on ebay for a set.

On both new Defenders I had the first thing I did when I got home was take the standard tyres off.

In my experience they were noisy over 55mph and I replaced them with BFG All Terrains ASAP.

but i don't want to be embarrased when i finally get to go to a few pay and play sites this summer.
I don't think they are very good offroad though. But happy to be proven wrong. Personally I am a BFG fan.
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6k a year and limited budget, go for some remoulds - they won't last as long or be such great quality but you won't be upset if you rip a £50 remould on a rock compared with a £130 BFG, and as they wear out quicker you get the fun of choosing another set sooner :lol: Had Colway AT's on my RR, very happy with them, dad ran the mt's on his and they worked well although not so great handling wise.

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I run general grabber 235/85/16 (same as come with a LR as standard) you often see on eBay people selling new/take off sets of these where they have replaced them with more aggressive tyres, I think they are a very underrated tyre and have been great I do a fair amount of light off road (genera pay and play etc) and they are a more than capable tyre and were very good in the snow, and very quiet on the road.

You would need new wheels but again could pick up a set of boost alloys if someone was changing them out again for not a lot of money. As an idea I recently brought a new set of 5 General Grabber tyres from eBay (and when I say new they had the bobbles on the sides!!) for £55.00 and a set of Boost alloys with nuts for £200.00 but have seen whole sets of wheels and tyres going again take off for around £310.00. They come with around 14mm of tread on them but anything under 10 mm is not worth bothering with.

Failing that Witham's often sell sets of Wolf rims and tyres for a decent price if you are again after something cheap.

Jason.

It took off a set of General Grabber TRs at this size when they started cracking and replaced them with GG AT2s. What a transformation off road, without the bad manners in the wet of the BFG MTs I have. Very good alround tyre, as you will find if you do a search for AT2s on this site.

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I've had BFG Muds for years as an everyday tyre, I was doing 25,000miles a year+ on them and can't recommend them highly enough. I use 255/85x16s, these are 33" tall over about 31" for 235s or 265s, which ups the gearing usefully onroad.

I've used several remoulds over the years, most I have tried have been a spectacular disappointment either through wear rate or just plain ripability. My old '79 Range Rover could eat a set of Colway MTs in a matter of weeks.

Our old Discovery ran on 235/85x16 BFG ATs, we had them for a couple of years then sold the tyres and wheels on for £300, now thats good value! I found the ATs staggeringly good offroad if aired down a bit, even in axle deep gloopy mud they found traction somehow.

Several farmers around here use KL71s, they seem to rip fairly easily, most of them have chunks of tread missing from what I have seen, that could be from hitting hedges on the way home from the pub though :blink:

Will :)

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I knocked a set of Tracker remoulds out in just 9000 miles! They were the last lot of remoulds I bought.

BFG MT's however - the first set I bought 3rd hand and got another 40k miles out of them before I sold them on. They were beyond use in the mud but still road legal.

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GG AT² I can definitely recommend, excellent behaviour on the road, and off-road they give quite the "how did I get through this I don't even..." kind of feeling. And not too loud either, except on those concrete tile thingies, but then again, everything is noisy on there.

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235/85 and 265/75 are both about 31-32" and are basically factory fit. One thin and one thick. I would choose 238/85 for on-road use.

255/85 is about 33" and is a popular size for use off-road as it is wider giving good grip and fits under a Defender without modification on the whole.

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255/85 is about 33" and is a popular size for use off-road as it is wider giving good grip and fits under a Defender without modification on the whole.

Just my humble opinion, but in Britain, generally, wider tyres actually give worse grip off road, than narrower tyres. This is due to the fact that wider tyres will spread the weight over a larger surface area (Why MT's have large chunky blocks of rubber)

This, coupled with on road rolling resistance being increased by wider tyres, I would recommend 265/75/16

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255/85 is about 33" and is a popular size for use off-road as it is wider giving good grip and fits under a Defender without modification on the whole.

Just my humble opinion, but in Britain, generally, wider tyres actually give worse grip off road, than narrower tyres. This is due to the fact that wider tyres will spread the weight over a larger surface area (Why MT's have large chunky blocks of rubber)

This, coupled with on road rolling resistance being increased by wider tyres, I would recommend 265/75/16

If wider tyres give worse grip off road and more rolling resistance on it, why would you reccomend 265 over 255?

They are wider.

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If wider tyres give worse grip off road and more rolling resistance on it, why would you reccomend 265 over 255?

They are wider.

:lol: Fiat Tipo...

The substance of my message stands :P (perhaps not the recommendation though)

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:)

I'm also a fan of the 255/85 as it gives you an inch more clearance under the diffs compared the size many Landrovers run. (235/85, 265/75)

Which means you don't get hung up where they do. And if they get beached and dragged through you can drive it.

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i put a set of cooper discoverer st's on just before xmas. i looked at bfg's and the like, and the coopers came out as the best value for money that i could find. reviews were good at 30k+ miles out of a set, and they have been fantastic so far. they coped really well in the snow, have been brilliant across wet muddy fields, and have pretty good road manners without being too loud either.

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I have a 110 V8 with 265 Goodyear MTR's and I'm very happy with them my other choice was BFG MT's but i my set came up at the right price my only regret is I didn't go for 285's like most of the camels seem to have.

Julian

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Well on my 110 i have General Grabbers The ones they come out the factory with . MY 90 has BFG AT's

Don't do mud tyres . They are only any good in mud and you have to have rain to have mud and don't get too much if that stuff in Queensland . And Mud tyres are not too good for sand . which is what i drive on most of the time

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