Mike Brownlie Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 I keep humming and hawing about building a 90 on a galvy chassis but I really want to be a deviant and build something a bit more "unique". I have a love of the 101 and the old 2a but they were designed to be load carriers with off road capabilities and not an "off roader" and leaf sprung. This is going to be a "Q" plate project I guess but would be nice if not, but not fussed. Thinking about using a 110 chassis, mounting the engine in the middle and using a forward control configuration with raised suspension and seating. Think 101 on steroids? now, The Engine.... Petrol is out for me and I want a big diesel. So what to choose ? Cummins 6BT is my favourite for the moment as its enough to power a 7.5Ton truck and most busses! GMC ? Perkins JCB Let me know your thoughts on this project and any ideas you may have. Cheers Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redneck Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 How far do you want to go http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/dodge/0706dp_1000_horse_power_dodge_ram_mega_cab/index.html I would avoid the GM diesels though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Brownlie Posted March 29, 2011 Author Share Posted March 29, 2011 I was thinking more along the lines of; http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LEYLAND-DAF-6-CYLINDER-TURBO-ENGINE-CUMMINGS-DAF-45-/400205507487?pt=UK_Commercial_Trucks&hash=item5d2e1b6b9f#ht_548wt_1139 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonost24 Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Take a look at this months LRO. A big yank v8 diesel with zf 4spd auto. Very nice Maybe a couple of months ago.....I've passed the mag on now to a guy at work.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty_wingnut Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Mazda 3.5 litre jobby, truly awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 I like the engine on eBay - that looks like it would go well and sound well! I love 101's - but don't really fit in them. If I were to buy one, it would have to have a 'Honking' big diesel engine! So I'm totally with you on that one. Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Train Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 How about this one? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DEUTZ-V10-DIESEL-ENGINE-CLAAS-FORAGER-ENGINE-/400205512048?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CommercialVehicleParts_SM&hash=item5d2e1b7d70 Though this one is cheaper. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CUMMINS-150-HP-TURBO-DIESEL-ENGINE-GEARBOX-AND-PTO-/250796343753?pt=UK_Collectables_Agricultural_RL&hash=item3a64a081c9 I am also with you on the stonking great diesel engine but this petrol powered beast is very tempting. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Scammell-Explorer-Recovery-Truck-/290548527495?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43a60ab187 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcos Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 ive got a 6.2 gmc in my td5 disco ...makes me smile all the time no probs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPendrey Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 I was thinking more along the lines of; http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LEYLAND-DAF-6-CYLINDER-TURBO-ENGINE-CUMMINGS-DAF-45-/400205507487?pt=UK_Commercial_Trucks&hash=item5d2e1b6b9f#ht_548wt_1139 I realise torque is the main requirement, but that engine shows 97KW at 3000RPM, that's 130HP... doesn't seem much given the highly tuned motors of today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz69 Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Mike, What about a Chevy Duramax LBZ ! 360HP stock standard! Use the associated allison 6 speed auto and nice combo! Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q-rover Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 I would have thought this one would come under the definition BIG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Brownlie Posted March 30, 2011 Author Share Posted March 30, 2011 They are such an easy engine to tune and stock form can achieve 300bhp im told. It's a truck engine trucks need torque to pull load and not so much bhp. 150bhp in a landrover is plenty and it's when your powering up steep hills torque and engine mass will make the difference over a highly tuned tdi/td5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Brownlie Posted March 30, 2011 Author Share Posted March 30, 2011 not sure the v10 is big enough... i came across this website; http://www.rakeway.co.uk/page12.html they make an adaptor for the LT230 that lets you have drive shaft input and output and make the box "remote" and then able to mount to any gearbox via a short shaft. <18" long?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Given that even the 2.8 TGV eats LR drivetrains for breakfast, you may need to plan for a few other improvements. I think the main problem is that big diesels = big torque spikes rather than outright torque/bhp numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 I was thinking more along the lines of; http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LEYLAND-DAF-6-CYLINDER-TURBO-ENGINE-CUMMINGS-DAF-45-/400205507487?pt=UK_Commercial_Trucks&hash=item5d2e1b6b9f#ht_548wt_1139 A 6BT for £600? I, err, want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Hancock Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Cummins landrover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkrentfitter Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 the 6bt is a stonking engine,as mentioned you will need a good transmission,you may get away with a santana box out of a v8 110,but if you are canny,many of them fitted to trucks had an auto box behind them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hiatt Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 They are such an easy engine to tune and stock form can achieve 300bhp im told. Might be worth asking how. I've got two of these engines, one in an ERF and one in a Fastrac. The pump on the ERF doesn't look home mechanic adjustable so I don't see how you could double the power without spending some serious cash. The Fastrac has some adjustment but only about 25 hp extra without black smoke. I had a 160hp variant in a scrap Leyland Freighter that I just have just sold. I'd had the lorry for a few years and knew the engine to be good and considered fitting to a Landy. However, after doing a bit of research, I decided it was just to heavy and has a limited rev range compared to a more modern diesel. They do sound good though A 2 stroke diesel would be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgnas Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 I decided it was just to heavy and has a limited rev range compared to a more modern diesel. That is the reason trucks and tractors have so many gears. They produce a lot of power/torque but in a small rev range. My wife's 7.5t DAF Horsebox has a green band on the rev counter of about 1000rpm. This is a NA engine and below the band there is NO power at all, above it will still pull but with power obviously falling. On the plus side, empty (cos I wouldn't do it with a horse in) it will do 70mph. On a round trip to Devon (250 miles) it returns nearly the same mpg as our 300tdi. This is significantly better than the previous Ford Cargo which I doubt did 20mpg. Scouting out gearbox and diff ratios would be a good start to the project to work out if you can get something driveable, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Train Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Just in case you go down this route I have a workshop manual for a Rolls Royce CV12 engine.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Brownlie Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 the 6bt is a stonking engine,as mentioned you will need a good transmission,you may get away with a santana box out of a v8 110,but if you are canny,many of them fitted to trucks had an auto box behind them. Im thinking about using the truck ZF 5 speed manual box and making the LT230 "remote" by using an adaptor on the input of the transfer box Might be worth asking how. I've got two of these engines, one in an ERF and one in a Fastrac. The pump on the ERF doesn't look home mechanic adjustable so I don't see how you could double the power without spending some serious cash. The Fastrac has some adjustment but only about 25 hp extra without black smoke. I had a 160hp variant in a scrap Leyland Freighter that I just have just sold. I'd had the lorry for a few years and knew the engine to be good and considered fitting to a Landy. However, after doing a bit of research, I decided it was just to heavy and has a limited rev range compared to a more modern diesel. They do sound good though A 2 stroke diesel would be good. From what I gather the limiting factor is the the turbo and fuel rail, by "stock" I mean the internals. This project is going to be "mid engined" and the weight split across both axles more evenly, it wont be a load carrying truck but possibly a towing/winch vehicle. If i break a part of the drive train i will replace with something upgraded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q-rover Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz2Oh_DGo7M&feature=related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammoj28 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Mikey, you know theres only one option really. Hicap + 6BT + galvy chassis, plus me helping build it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Brownlie Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 Mikey, you know theres only one option really. Hicap + 6BT + galvy chassis, plus me helping build it. yeah i think your right... mog axles too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 mog axles too? So it's going to be light then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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