FridgeFreezer Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 And who is it that determines that ?? The MOT inspector. Not that there's any requirement for MOT inspectors to be trained welders etc., such is the system over here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Yup, section 2.2C: Inspection: repairs, especially by welding, or evidence that excessive heat has been applied, to steering components or structural members RFR: structural repair by welding to a steering linkage component, or signs of excessive heat having been applied So not just welding, but be careful with your oxy sets too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 All welding to the steering colums shaft AFAIK is illegal over here. But cutting the worm gear off, filing two flats on the shaft and plugging it into the the female lower half of an old RangeRover column shaft is ok, and once again remove the bodgy welder from the equation. Bill. Ahh....so mechanical is ok, welding is out. Thats excellent thanks, as a machinist rather than a welder I was hoping a mechanical 'mod' was allowable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 No - welding is fine if done properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 I'm so confused! Anyway, a mechanical modification - filing flats, keys, grubscrews etc. - is fine, so thats ok for me. Whether welding is or isnt ok doesnt matter to me now, mechanical I'm good with! Thanks for that chaps, I'm a happy bunny now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill van snorkle Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 I'm so confused! Anyway, a mechanical modification - filing flats, keys, grubscrews etc. - is fine, so thats ok for me. Whether welding is or isnt ok doesnt matter to me now, mechanical I'm good with! Thanks for that chaps, I'm a happy bunny now! Is it possible to be confused and happy all at once? A couple more tips for the financially challenged like myself. If you trim the old steering box casting for universal joint clearance, you can retain the bulkhead support/steering box mount in standard form. The old pitman shaft bushing and oil seal which is an integral part of the old steering box casting, is now redundant, but can be hacksawed off and machined or filed to fit in the old worm gear upper bearing bore of the steering box casting and retained with a grub screw. Drill and tap for a grease nipple also. The reason for doing this is to save on machining costs to make a bottom column shaft bearing housing., because the diameter of the old pitman shaft is the same as the Rangerover lower steering column shaft. Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Er......isnt it easier just to use a defender steering column?? Thats how I did mine! Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuko Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I'm hoping that Jon. My parts will finally be in Sweden next Tuesday. Defender steering column, P38 power steering box, P38 steering shaft. Those who have done this conversion, how far forward of the axle did you mount power steering box? I've been looking at my Designa coil sprung chassis and the turret mounts look rather wide which will push the power steering box forward.....a lot! Todd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Todd - I believe the length of the column & shaft dictate the mounting point, if everything is off-the-shelf then it should all join up and sit roughly where it wants to, if you see what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Er......isnt it easier just to use a defender steering column?? Thats how I did mine! Jon Absolutely, however, although unecessary I want to retain the Series 'bus wheel', and all my searches so far have lead me only as far as 'its possible....', 'mate of a mate' etc, and no proof or part numbers, so as a mechanical mod is allowable, I now know I have a means of doing it! BVS, thanks for that tip mate, hadnt thought about the fixing point for the bottom of the shaft yet....slipped my mind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I'll try to have a rummage in the shed as I've got a Defender column & Series wheel laying around, see what the deal is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill van snorkle Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Er......isnt it easier just to use a defender steering column?? Thats how I did mine! Jon It might have slipped your mind Jon, but this is an International forum It might be easier for you over there with ready access to wrecked Defender parts, but they are not so available here or some other countries. And at any rate you would still need to make a bottom column mount. This waythe std steering wheel,steering lock etc are retained also. Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 If you use a 300tdi defender column then the splines are the same as on a series 3 so the series wheel will fit straight on - end of problem! Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 If you use the standard defender lower column mounts, then two of the bolt holes line up with existing ones in the series footwell. You simply need to drill th other two through the footwell and it all bolts up. The series steering lock will bolt up to the defender column also. I appreciate the parts may not be so available elsewhere, but bearing in mind you've got to sourse the steering box from one, you might as well get the column from the same truck! Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 If you use a 300tdi defender column then the splines are the same as on a series 3 so the series wheel will fit straight on - end of problem! Jon Thank you! thats the piece of information I'd so far failed to find....I've got a list somewhere I've made of the series steering spline details and also those of I think 200tdi disco, td5 defender and a rangy i think...IIRC none of which are remotely similar! Think I know where there's a 300defender..... If you use the standard defender lower column mounts, then two of the bolt holes line up with existing ones in the series footwell. You simply need to drill th other two through the footwell and it all bolts up. The series steering lock will bolt up to the defender column also. I appreciate the parts may not be so available elsewhere, but bearing in mind you've got to sourse the steering box from one, you might as well get the column from the same truck! Jon I've already got a pair of steering boxes from a defender and a disco, neither donor being a suitable source of steering shafts, but its really handy to know that a Series steering lock will fit - thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill van snorkle Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 If you use the standard defender lower column mounts, then two of the bolt holes line up with existing ones in the series footwell. You simply need to drill th other two through the footwell and it all bolts up. The series steering lock will bolt up to the defender column also. I appreciate the parts may not be so available elsewhere, but bearing in mind you've got to sourse the steering box from one, you might as well get the column from the same truck! Jon Very true, but my posts are about fitting a common right hand drive Toyota 60 series steering box to the outside of the chassis rail, and in that case there is no necessity to source anything from a left hand drive Defender, but dead RangeRovers for the lower half of the steering column and steering universal joints are everywhere. Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 This is it - I couldnt even tell you what a Toyota 60 series looks like cos we just dont have them over here! Most of us over here just tend to chop a lump out of the front cross member and just fit a standard RHD PAS box. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Good shout on the 300TDi column John, I tried my older Defender column & Series wheel the other day and it definitely don't fit... Range Rover classic does though 'cos that's what I've got at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I've got a mountney wheel on mine, as with PAS i find a smaller wheel is much more comfortable,and you no longer need the origional series bus style steering wheel. That said I ran the mountney even before i had PAS cos I hated the series one! Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Each to their own, I happen to like the bus wheelo, hence the search for a shaft to fit it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuko Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Each to their own, I happen to like the bus wheelo, hence the search for a shaft to fit it The Defender "soft feel, 2 spoke" steering wheel fits the series 3 steering column. So in theory vise versa, the series 3 steering wheel should fit the soft feel 2 spoke Defender steering column ?? I agree to each their own I prefer the smaller, thicker soft feel steering wheel in my series 3. Todd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 I removed my mountney when I managed to nearly fold it in half whilst fitting it, even go karts have stronger steering wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Fridge - use a smaller hammer next time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addams Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 We need a defender SW column for mounting a wheel series. 90 or 110 but SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 The Defender "soft feel, 2 spoke" steering wheel fits the series 3 steering column. So in theory vise versa, the series 3 steering wheel should fit the soft feel 2 spoke Defender steering column ?? I agree to each their own I prefer the smaller, thicker soft feel steering wheel in my series 3. Todd. Some do and some don't - I think it's the 200Tdi Defender wheel which shares the same splines as the Series, with 300Tdi, TD5 and TDCI steering wheels having smaller, non-tapered splines. Even then, LR's notorious habit of raiding parts bins and mixing specs as major changes are imminent (so there are several hundred vehicles which end up non-standard) means that even this knowledge is no guarantee - the latest 200Tdi Defenders may have 300 steering systems, as happened with axles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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