ebdesignDEFENDER Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Hello all RRC friends.(first sorry for my English) I need an right advice. I was allways a great fan RRC its just an special car. Now I have a chance to by one. Problem is theat I can not chose: I have an RRC 1989 Diesel Price 1000euro an RRC 1993 Diesel with more features. Price 2800euro I realy dont know what kind of engine are there but I know theat are 2,4 or 2,5 D. Can you help me with more "details" about these cars ? I`ve just finded them on internet and I need to see them but wich is better, wich worth to see ? P.S. I live in Germany and these cars are for sale in Germany. Thank you very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally V8 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Find out which is in best condition rust wise,also avoid the earlier one if it has a VM engine,the TDI LR engine is a much better bet,despite a few fans who like flogging dead horses - the VM's are not worth bothering with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightpot Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Italian made VM diesel has a bad reputation, best to avoid. Range Rover is very similar to Defender otherwise - chassis, suspension, axles, so same possible problems. More chance of rust on the body - more of it is made of steel than a defender. Check floor in the load area, wheel arches inside the back doors, floor in front area, sills, body mounting points, 'A' pillar. More chance of electrical problems than a Defender - electric windows, central locking etc can be unreliable. Also find out which gearbox they use, so you can prepare yourself for any specific problems. I think they will use LT77 though unless auto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebdesignDEFENDER Posted October 26, 2011 Author Share Posted October 26, 2011 But how can recognize wich engine it is ? (300Tdi I know hoaw it looks : I have one.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightpot Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 If it's a Land Rover diesel engine, it will look almost the same as yours - the '93 should have a 300Tdi. '89 range rovers were fitted with VM Diesel - photo below; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Erm, if anything the '93 would have a 200TDi, not a 300, which was introduced with the Softdash IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightpot Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 ok, my error, just knew 300TDi was introduced in '93 - but anyway, the '93 car 'should' have the Land Rover engine, not the VM engine, although with old Land Rovers, anything may have been fitted by now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 The 2-door one may be worth more as they are becoming collectable/classic now, although it's hard to find one that's not rusty. Engines can be changed, it's a Land Rover! The VM engines have a bad reputation, they are not great but speaking to someone who actually owned a couple of them they are OK & reliable if looked after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I would add if its an auto then avoid it - I had a factory 300tdi auto, and it was slower than a slow thing on a slow day............it was also thirstier than a thirsty thing on a thirsty day.......... IMHO land rover diesels do not work well with auto boxes. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightpot Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 The 2-door one may be worth more as they are becoming collectable/classic now, although it's hard to find one that's not rusty. Engines can be changed, it's a Land Rover! The VM engines have a bad reputation, they are not great but speaking to someone who actually owned a couple of them they are OK & reliable if looked after. i think the 2 door he's looking at is also the later of the two, with the TDi, so double bubble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
task Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Are you sure the 2 door is not an 1983? It has the wrong door tops for a 1993 2 door model. It should have the same wing mirrors as a 4 door RRC, although the rear windows look correct for age so it could be that the door has been replaced. The bonnet has certainly been replaced at some point too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryboy Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 The top photo is the '93 model, probably a Vogue judging by the wheels. Mine is registered late August of that year and has the 200 TDI engine (+ Manual Box ) which is a cracker as far as I'm concerned. Arguably the best diesel LR ever made, imho! I agree about the Automatic version however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Range Rover Blues Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Auto TDi is a decent truck, just as quick as a manual (ask me how I know) and about as economical. We have a 300 TDi manual and my sister's is Auto, she gets better MPG and it's a lovely truck to drive. You can alter the shift points to taste on the TDi too which is nice. Anyhoo, I find that the steel used in the '80s is better than the '93 model, the chassis will probbaly be better (assuming a similar background) and the body will be much better, with possibly an ali boot floor? On an exposed hinge body the inner wings. sill and door posts are I think all black, concealed hinge onwards they ar eboddy coloured. This can help detect any bodywork. Buy on condition, not age. Later cars have more toys and spares are a bit easier to find, but a solid 8'80s truck is stilla nice thing. Oh yes, the '93 car wil have anti roll bars, so might handle better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Range Rover Blues Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Money no object, I'd buy a soft dash! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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