eds Posted November 24, 2011 Author Share Posted November 24, 2011 I did buy genuine seals but I am not sure if it is the older design. Based on what Dave said I think I will get this seal changed. Obviously people do change them so it can't be too tricky! I assume you don't need a press............ The last thing I need is swivel grease all over my new brakes. That is what did it in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 If swivel grease or oil has got between the back of the brake disc and backplate, then the rear wheel bearing hub seal is leaking. You can pop it out with a claw hammer and replace it without any other major work. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poohbear Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 as long as the stub axle lands are OK - can you replace the stub axle without stripping down the swivel housing? It's been a while since I had mine in bits! Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 yes the railko bush is worn if theres play, if the bearings are there, and you have it apart, i would reccomend to always replace with new. i suppose you could keep the mint ones as a "get you to the shop for new ones" if these newer ones fail at somepoint in the futre. i cant ever remember seeing a bronze bush inside any of the swivels ive ever taken apart. is there some types without a bronze bush, i cant picture where it would go, an image or parts diagram would help if anyone could upload one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 and dave, yes, all you have to do to get at the stub axle is undo the wheel bearing nuts and pull the hub off, undo the 6 bolts for the stub axle, pull it off and hey presto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 now i do remember a bronze bush as i think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 now i do remember a bronze bush as i think about it. Inside the stub axle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eds Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 Whilst I am waiting for these parts I thought about painting the thing. Am I definitely supposed to paint the swivel seal metal plates and stub axle mud shield. What about the swivel housing, looks like it was even painted on the inside. I would love to know of a paint I can just easily apply by spray or brush with only one coat and it would cover what I would think is metal with residual swivel grease on. Is there such a paint? What have folks used. It would be good if it sprayed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 There's no paint that I know of that can be applied to an oily or greasy surface - you always have to degrease. Engine enamel is a good paint - not always requiring a primer before application. Leave bare metal where bearings, oil seals, gaskets, bushes, etc, are going to be fitted. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eds Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 What do you think of this damage Looks like someone put my swivel in a vice and these marks are quite sharp and proud. Does the swivel seal come near them. The marks are on the most extreme diameter of the ball and are typical vice jaw marks. What should I do. There is also damage around the top but I think this is irrelevant. Does this mean a new ball is needed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eds Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 Do you spray engine enamel? Who makes it? Any more info available! Definitely upset by my swivel damage...................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 You can see from the wear marks where the seal comes too.... I would look at changing them with marks like those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickwilliams Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 IMHO that's knackered. Nick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eds Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 Damn it............... I looked at the seal lines and the seal does settle/cross on these marks.............. I hoped someone would say that it could be got away with if some sanding and filling was done But that is 2 opinions saying knackered.................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyNissanPrairie Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 thats scrap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS_Bond Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 They're (or were) chrome-plated, aren't they? So any surface damage - like that - will either have gone through the plating, or you'll knacker the plating trying to rectify it. Replacements aren't *too* bad for price - and if it's any consolation, yours are in far better nick than mine are currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickwilliams Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 The black coloured ones (like this) are PTFE coated, not chrome plated. If you have to put it back on rather than replace it then filing the raised points back to flat would be better than leaving them as they currently are, but to do a good job you would need to use successively finer wet or dry paper to polish it back to a smooth finish. It will never fully seal properly again. Ironically, you'd be better off with one of the old chrome ones if you have to polish a dent out since the plating is thick enough and hard enough to stand a reasonable amount of rubbing down. With the PTFE ones all that you will do is strip the coating off and make them more likely to rust. Nick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 The black coloured ones (like this) are PTFE coated, not chrome plated. If you have to put it back on rather than replace it then filing the raised points back to flat would be better than leaving them as they currently are, but to do a good job you would need to use successively finer wet or dry paper to polish it back to a smooth finish. It will never fully seal properly again. Ironically, you'd be better off with one of the old chrome ones if you have to polish a dent out since the plating is thick enough and hard enough to stand a reasonable amount of rubbing down. With the PTFE ones all that you will do is strip the coating off and make them more likely to rust. Nick. That looks like a chrome one to me?! definitely not as dull finish as the PTFE balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eds Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 Mine is a chrome one so are you saying it is fine to mend? I could use a polishing motor and just polish it smooth. It may leak a bit on full lock. Decisions decisions......... Also I have inspected the bottom swivel pin which is inside the roller bearing. It has worn a lip on it. Does this matter? I was thinking as it is inside a bearing it is unimportant but then I could not understand why it had worn in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poohbear Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Some people have had success with 'liquid metal' type fillers and a lot of elbow grease working them flat - but it will always just be putting off the inevitable. Whilst you're in there best change the balls as well, don't want your nice new swivel seals wrecked the first time you go round a corner! Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eds Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 How can the teflon ones be robust when chrome gives up? I know they are all that is available but am I better mending my chrome one than going with teflon that is so thin it can scratch off and then rust? And any thoughts about this bottom swivel pin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS_Bond Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Mine is a chrome one so are you saying it is fine to mend? I could use a polishing motor and just polish it smooth. It may leak a bit on full lock. Decisions decisions......... I'm saying you'll cut through the plating so a) the area won't be protected and b) you'll end up with the surrounding chrome flaking away (in part from corrosion working under the plating with the steel being exposed). It'll last for a wee while, but you'll eat your seals as a result. If I was strapped for cash I'd possibly do it, but recognise that I'd have to redo it maybe as soon as 3 months down the line (it's Winter, there'll be a lot of salt around soon). SWAG on the 3 months, BTW. Of course, you could find a suitable plater somewhere and get them stripped, polished & rechromed, but I wouldn't have thought it would be cost effective. And you'd still have a flat spot from the damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickwilliams Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 I fully agree with PS_Bond. Nick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 You could fit swivel gaiters and the swivel ball will possibly last a few more years. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eds Posted November 26, 2011 Author Share Posted November 26, 2011 What about this worn bottom swivel pin, does it need to be replaced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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