Cartman Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Our heating oil tank has just developed a split probably due to UV degredation and all the sun we have been having recently. I need to find any available container to salvage what oil I can before it leaks away (at ~40p/litre). Trying to find storage for around 400 litres to get the ful level below the split is not easy so thought about the Series fuel tank. Another possible receptical. Now I seem to remember that 100% kero will run a petrol engined 2.25 due to it's low compression as long as the engine is warm and the ignition is retarded a tad. But what about a petrol/kero blend? Anyone have any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartman Posted August 19, 2006 Author Share Posted August 19, 2006 After having a bit of a Google this info turned up on Wikipedia.... 'The post war Ferguson TE20 tractor, a carefully researched and near-ideal tractor for use on British farms was designed around a petrol engine. Although there was a campaign for Road Duty (tax)-free petrol for agricultural use to be re-introduced (it had been curtailed during the war), this was not forthcoming. Perkins Engines supplied some conversions into diesel engines which could use un-taxed red diesel. As a subsitute for petrol, TVO was developed. Paraffin (kerosene) was commonly used as a domestic heating fuel and was un-taxed. Paraffin has an octane rating of zero and would damage an engine built for petrol. The manufacture of paraffin involves the removal of aromatic hydrocarbons from what is now sold as heating oil. These aromatics have an octane rating, so adding some of that otherwise waste product material back in a controlled manner into paraffin gave TVO. The resulting octane rating of TVO was somewhere between 55 and 70. In practice TVO had most of the properties of paraffin including the need for heating to encourage vapourisation. As a result the exhaust and inlet manifolds were adapted so that more heat form the first warmed the latter. To get the tractor to start from cold a second small fuel tank was added that contained petrol. The tractor was started on the (expensive) petrol then once the engine was warm, the fuel supply switched over to TVO. So long as the engine was working hard (eg on the land, ploughing, pulling a load) the TVO would burn well. Under light conditions (travelling unloaded on the highway), the engine was better on petrol. Some tractor designs included a radiator "blind" that would restrict the flow of air over the radiator which led to the engine running hotter which could help with starting, but if left shut risked engine damage. The phrase petrol-paraffin is often used to describe engines that use TVO. This can be interpreted either as the use of the two fuels, starting on petrol then switching to the paraffin-based TVO the use of a mixture of petrol and paraffin as a substitute for the proper TVO ' Seems it could work if blended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill van snorkle Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Our heating oil tank has just developed a split probably due to UV degredation and all the sun we have been having recently. I need to find any available container to salvage what oil I can before it leaks away (at ~40p/litre).Trying to find storage for around 400 litres to get the ful level below the split is not easy so thought about the Series fuel tank. Another possible receptical. Now I seem to remember that 100% kero will run a petrol engined 2.25 due to it's low compression as long as the engine is warm and the ignition is retarded a tad. But what about a petrol/kero blend? Anyone have any thoughts? I tried running a 2 litre Landey on home heating kero some years ago when the price of petrol rose to a whopping ten shillings a gallon. By winding the copper fuel line to the carburator around the exhaust manifold and having a two way valve so I could start on petrol for warm up, the engine ran ok but the smell at the exhaust was horrible, so I gave up on the idea. I believe proper power kero, like was used on some old tractors doesn't smell so bad, and lubricates the cylinders, unlike heating kero. Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glue Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 No use for the Landy aspect of your quesion, But have you tried a firm called Smiths in the Forest of Dean. (A quick google should turn them up.) They specialise in plastic tanks, and containers. They often have second hand or ex demo ones in various sizes, at cheap prices. They may have a suitable tank to off load your existing leaky tank into. HTH Glue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartman Posted August 19, 2006 Author Share Posted August 19, 2006 No use for the Landy aspect of your quesion, But have you tried a firm called Smiths in the Forest of Dean. (A quick google should turn them up.) They specialise in plastic tanks, and containers. They often have second hand or ex demo ones in various sizes, at cheap prices. They may have a suitable tank to off load your existing leaky tank into.HTH Glue Cheers Glue. I'll have a look and see. Price so far new and delivered for a 1300 litre comes to £300 plus empty/fit of course. Which isn't too bad. Now back to the kerosene 'disposal' question. Added around 25% kero to petrol and once warmed up (pinked a bit before) it ran relatively fine but with that noticable kero smell. Just added a further 10%. See how that fairs? Now have one more empty jerry to put salvaged fuel in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardatherton Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 I ran my 2.25 on paraffin/petrol for a while with no difference apart from the smell from the exhaust. I imagine mixing it would be the best bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartman Posted August 19, 2006 Author Share Posted August 19, 2006 Well at around 40% kero to petrol it does not like engine loads at it's original timing setting and pinks like a pinking thing on a pinking day so back to 25%. Could adjust the timing I's'pose. Back to the tank. Tip to anyone who runs their heating on oil and has a plastic tank. If a leak starts get a bar of soap and rub it into the crack. Seals it up a goodun, temporarily Turns out the tank is <10 years old and still in warranty so looks like it will be swapped out FOC. Result!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02GF74 Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 . If a leak starts get a bar of soap and rub it into the crack. Seals it up a goodun, temporarily will that work on bottoms after eating a dodgey kebab? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 floog ti to someone with a diesel landy and mix upto 50/50 kerp/diesel and add FIP lubricity to it, works treat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 will that work on bottoms after eating a dodgey kebab? Two nuns in the bath. One asks "Where's the soap" the other replies "Yes, it does, doesn't it". Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02GF74 Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Two nuns in the bath. One asks "Where's the soap" the other replies "Yes, it does, doesn't it". Chris a top joke but only really works when someone tells it to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 a top joke but only really works when someone tells it to you. Agreed. See if you can get this one - ask a colleague to read it... Two nuns riding a bicycle. One says "Oh, I have not come this way before" the other replies "No, I think it is the cobbles" Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonfire Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Used to run the series 3 on paraffin occasionally, where I used to work (about 8-miles from home) they stocked it and I was forever late in the mornings.... Not having time to stop off for petrol so forever messing about running on fumes. Not wishing to find out the accuracy of the guage the hard way, after work I would run it for a while then put some in. I used to fill up with petrol ASAP when I got home because of the smell (nice but not very legal) and getting it going again. The worst thing was having to let it tick over for some time...this resulted in it cooling down (hence the rad screens on Fordsons etc) and of course then you get the white smoke that stinks (good for bore washing too I imagine) Mixed with petrol in a decent ratio I should imagine it would be much better and of course cut down on pinking. The ultimate of course would have been to have fitted a second tank and change it over 'tractor style'! Where I work now has got red Diesel, and I drive a TDI but I dont think I'll go that route I think there is a recipie on the net somewhere about making your own TVO with petrol paraffin and Diesel. James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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