dollythelw Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 I weigh in at 15st Al's more of an 8 stone waife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatboy Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 The torque required to break out a component cannot be used to calculate make-up torque. Especially if the component has been done up for a while.... My opinion, (for what it is worth), if you can get good access to nut, I'd consider using either a hydraulic spanner (Hytorq or such like) or hammer spanners which even if you do not beat them, are easier to put a cheater bar on. An advantage being that you are applying force through the same plane as the nut, not a couple of inches in front which introduces bending loads. Hytorq tools can be rented as well.... no need to purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro_Al Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share Posted August 24, 2006 Hmm, somewhere in between 15 and 8 stone is where I weigh in... Hanging Moglite from the end of the bar with perfect his combination of space-time bending gravitational forces and attraction to all things rubber (placed on the ground beneath him), plus some angry ginger related pulling should be all the dynamic load I need... If not, my fast'n'loud swearing at him will tip the balance in our favour, I'm sure. Fatboy - You're right about the bending loads, but as I said above, I'll be welding it all up so the reverse side of the socket is also supported (by an axle stand or whatever), resulting in pure torsion at the socket (and hopefully a bit of stability at the angry end of the bar). Cheers, Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 what size is the nut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Not sure on the safety side of my suggestion, but I have always found that applying both static and shock loading more effective than just shock loading to undo tight stuff... ie In your setup Al, I would be inclined to do something like attach the bar to the nut, and then a big ratchet strap between the other end ans something good and solid. Do the rat. strap up so it is applying a good static load to the bar, and then apply a shock load (ie jump on it, hit it with a BFH, open the speacialist magazine... etc). Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro_Al Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share Posted August 24, 2006 Yeah, I will - hang load off it then tickle him, so he jiggles... No, hang load and thwack it with Mog sized hammer. Jez, it's 55mm, I have an impact socket for it (1" drive). Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 You have a hammer the same size as a Mog? I think that would count as a BFH.. Also if Andy jiggling generates that much force, remind me to be in another county when you do this!!! Alternatly, make him sneeze - this always seems to generate a lot of force when it happens under a vehicle... the bridge of my nose will testify to this! Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MogLite Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 I guess today is pick on me day But I don't care - I drove MogLite last night for the first time last night - so nothing is gonna get me down today. For the record - I'm about 14st, 6' tall and gorgeous - rather be that than 8st dripping wet carrying a bag of shopping Rather than a massive breaker bar - use a trolley jack as force ? Keeping the tool square on the nut can be a pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 I guess today is pick on me day Tuesday is Al day For the record - I'm about 14st, 6' tall and gorgeous Good work on Moglite though still think a slugging wrench would do the trick with a lot less agg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro_Al Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share Posted August 24, 2006 I guess today is pick on me day Shut your hole dough-boy! Don't blame me, blame Isaac Newton and 'yo momma'... But I don't care - I drove MogLite last night for the first time last night - so nothing is gonna get me down today. WAHOO! For the record - I'm about 14st, 6' tall and gorgeous Yes you are Andy, yes you are. Just pulling yo portal box me old mukka! Keeping the tool square on the nut can be a pain. Yeah, hence the jig, which will also keep it pushed 'on'. Got a drum going spare...? One of those smaller ones that wouldn't fit the brakes in? I can give you another 2 once I get the other front. Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro_Al Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share Posted August 24, 2006 Tuesday is Al daystill think a slugging wrench would do the trick with a lot less agg So soon? Dagnammit! Kay then Jez - what's a slugging wrench? Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 well strangely enough stick man its a wrench/spanner and you slug it/beat the living sh*te out of it with a rubber princess powered sledgie looks a bit like this or for kinky applications (stop sniggering in the back Marshalsay) local tool monkeys should be able to help you out, single or Bi-hex, much thicker wall than any sockety things and the satisfaction of sledgehammer induced violence B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 apart from maybe this lump of yumminess overkill 55mm = 1.45kgs of finest largeness mmmmmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Bar Cowboy Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 I guess today is pick on me day But I don't care - I drove MogLite last night for the first time last night - so nothing is gonna get me down today. Yeah, but at least we found out that there is life in the city today ………..and why is there no post in the Moglite thread telling us all the gory details Well done Andy …… I expect you are are well chuffed Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MogLite Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Yeah, but at least we found out that there is life in the city today ………..and why is there no post in the Moglite thread telling us all the gory details Well done Andy …… I expect you are are well chuffed Ian There is a little bit too much life in the City - I've been busy. Its currently on 7.50s !! and no springs so it looks a little wierd Grand unveiling is at Malvern on the Shires stand. If you want a sneak preview - close your eyes and imagine a b**tard love child of a Tomcat and JCB Fastrac - paint it orange and black and you'll be darn close Full LR4x4 updates after the weekend. Andy AKA Rubber Princess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Superb, just superb Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I'm surprised nobody has asked Andy to shout at the nut - I'm sure it would just undo by itself and runa way and hide..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro_Al Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 Yeah - especially with his blingy redundant PA system... Here is the offending article: Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I was using the internationally harmonised constant for Swearing - Sfk = ((.707 x V) x Fn) Sfk = Swearing coefficient V = Volume Fn = Nominal Frequency Then: Fn = (dW / Tr) Tr = Time period in seconds between repetition of any given word dW = Deviation of words utilised A rapper would be a good choice for a high density of wearing, however their nomninal frequency (Fn) is actually relatively low as they tend to repeat the same few words in succession. Creativity is the name of the game, Andy is a bit of a deviant so his dW figure will be high Edited to add: Rappers also suffer because they use the American measurement which includes "cuss" words such as "ass" which the international committee do not recognise, as such SAE Swearing is of lower value than DIN Swearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro_Al Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 Fridge, thanks for your input - I've been giving the optimisation of the parameters some thought, so it doesn't take an entire weekend to crack 4 nuts... Maybe you could help me out with a couple of newbie Q's: 1. If I need this truck to pass an SVA, and the international committee don't recognise US 'cuss' words, do I need to ensure that all swear words are DOT approved, or have the European equivalent 'E' mark? Also, should I record the event for future playback in case I need supply proof of recognised vocabulary during the SVA testing? 2. I'm trying to work out whether I'm shooting myself in the foot. I plan to hang a slugging wench off the bar, and beat it with my hammer (the bar that is - and the slugging wench maybe a little if his swearing quotient is sub-par). Given Moglite's remarkable 'standard gravitational parameter' (that is, his mass - yes, ALL of it - multiplied by the universal gravitational constant), and the considerable mass of my Mog-sized hammer, can you tell me whether the unfeasibly large local gravitational pull is going to slow my hammer down to such an extent that it becomes ineffective? Is there a 'critical hammer mass' at which point I would be better off just tickling the slugging wench to induce dynamic bar loads? Presumably a rubber 'tickling stick' produces greater vibration and dynamic loads? 3. Finally, if rappers are typically not up to the job given their limited and/or illegal vocabulary, considering the significant torque required to free a recalcitrant Mog hub bolt, can you suggest an alternative source of verbal abuse? Do HSS-Hire have anything I can rent by the hour? Most of their staff seem like they'd fit the bill? Advice, or foot-pounds, gratefully received. Al. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I think the Zuess book carries all the relevant coversion tables for profanities. Im a little concerned though Al as to your use of the rubber princesses ability to create a pocket of super gravity during mallet swinging - if you release the full force of rubberness then the batting stick could in theory surpass 2/3rds the speed of light and collapse under its own mass causing a black hole and sucking at least everyone elses axles into it (yours would of course be safe) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 1. If I need this truck to pass an SVA, and the international committee don't recognise US 'cuss' words, do I need to ensure that all swear words are DOT approved, or have the European equivalent 'E' mark? Also, should I record the event for future playback in case I need supply proof of recognised vocabulary during the SVA testing? As I understant it they work on a points system using a conversion table in the book Jez was referring to. I won't reproduce it here as it's a family forum but for example: 1 SAE Ass = .6666 DIN Arses 2. I'm trying to work out whether I'm shooting myself in the foot. I plan to hang a slugging wench off the bar, and beat it with my hammer (the bar that is - and the slugging wench maybe a little if his swearing quotient is sub-par). Given Moglite's remarkable 'standard gravitational parameter' (that is, his mass - yes, ALL of it - multiplied by the universal gravitational constant), and the considerable mass of my Mog-sized hammer, can you tell me whether the unfeasibly large local gravitational pull is going to slow my hammer down to such an extent that it becomes ineffective? Is there a 'critical hammer mass' at which point I would be better off just tickling the slugging wench to induce dynamic bar loads? Presumably a rubber 'tickling stick' produces greater vibration and dynamic loads? Andy's standard gravitational parameter is somewhat of an unknown bignum as science is yet to quantify it accurately, or even begin to count the zeros However, with careful computation of the arc of hammer travel (and you're the rocket scientist here) you should be able to use the gravitational pull to give a "slingshot" effect that accelerates the hammer toward the target. Either that or the universe will implode - as per Jez's warning above. 3. Finally, if rappers are typically not up to the job given their limited and/or illegal vocabulary, considering the significant torque required to free a recalcitrant Mog hub bolt, can you suggest an alternative source of verbal abuse? Do HSS-Hire have anything I can rent by the hour? Most of their staff seem like they'd fit the bill? Well, I realise this may be multitasking too far, but the rubber princess is reasonably adept at swearing and benefits from the aforementioned high level of deviance. If that's asking too much I can record some local 12-year olds on tape - the dW is lower but the overall frequency is higher, especially when multiple urchins are employed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 News is filtering back that allowing "madam latex" to work on the Shires stand at Malvern could have a detrimental effect on new membership - why did you let him?.......... why?? Al you sure you want to let this loose with a sledgehammer?? still its an improvement on that colour co-ordinated affair he made initially Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Good point, but if it encourages more members like this then I'm all in favour In fact I'm in favour of Bianca Beauchamp in general, seems like a lovely lass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Biancas nice, Ive often admired her grinder fu although shes carp at repairing punctures whereas....... Kate Beckonlovely seems to have made herself at home in the lab - Im not sure she should be allowed to make anymore sidearms though, we're running out of shelves just got an update from the show John it seems Al's joined Andy on the "other side" god help us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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