smithy1 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Hi I want too start in a winch challenges Going buy a new winch ! But which one Already got a goodwinch and a superwinch fitted with xp motor for the middle and back for now! But what for the front ! Looked at the new hornet from redwinches comes with 2 bow 2s etc or Gigglepin gp83 or gp84 Please have ur say ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr whippy Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 there are plenty of second hand gp about at the moment for around 2k & most people in the comp scene run 8274 gp style winches so spares are normally about at most events just in case you need some ?? ive not seen any reds in action yet so for me id be waiting a year or so just incase any issues come up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtyninety Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Completely agree with mr whippy above. However you do also need to look at hydraulic winches such as Saley's if you want to be running with the big boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Saleys unit is the baby to go for Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave W Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 I'd seriously consider the terms and conditions for any winch and get the level of backup you expect in writing. The early GP winches and upgraded parts were very prone to breakages and had a few design flaws. A lot of those problems and the subsequent development to fix them was funded by the customers - you break it, they bring out a new design to stop it breaking again, you pay for the new part. Red-winch are the new boys on the block when it comes to electric winches and their winch does look really good BUT I'd only buy one on the proviso that if anything breaks in the first year (or 2) they will pay for the repair. If they've got it right (and it certainly looks like a good piece of kit) then a decent warranty (maybe even as good as Ashcroft's warranty) would go a long way towards showing they mean business. Another electric option is the Tibus winch which (I've asked) comes with a 2 year "you break it, we fix it" warranty apart from electric components (motors, solenoids). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 I think Saleys comes with a "If you break it you've probably already killed yourself doing so warranty " But as what Dave says above perfick sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr whippy Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 its not the issue that they will fix it when it breaks, if it breaks when competing and you can't fix it there & then your event is over, will they be paying for you entry fee & cost of traveling etc etc. i think not. if you want a winch that does not break go saley, as for red like i say id be waiting till any problems there might be to have been sorted before you go 2.5k in. but they do look cool and so far reports are good. only time will tell. but its a great situation to be in having such choices. if the new red winch performs well at the top level id expect a glutton of cheep gp winches on the market, keep your eyes peeled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 If you're new to the whole thing, why spend tonnes up-front on a winch? Start with something a bit less trendy, maybe 2nd hand, and see how you get on and work out what you want from there. You've already got two winches, many people would consider that sufficient for most purposes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLineMike Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 i believe RED winches have a 2 year RTB warranty on all mechanical parts, i believe the only things that arent covered is the electrical side, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Idris Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 I've never regretted going bonkers on the front winch with the typeR Milemarker (big spend at the time). I consider the two speed Red winch to be the typeR with a better finish and proper drum bearings, so on the face of it I would expect their electric version to be very good? If the Hornet is two speed, then I'm sold But I got involved in KAM's developent process, so I know what it's like being the new lab-rat. Don't mind it if that's part of the agreement, but don't like finding out after the check has cashed Red sell to the army, and that's a proper brutal testing program ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLineMike Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 hornet is single speed , dont need 2 speeds with performance like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 wow thats what I call living on the edge , reeling it in at that speed , that close to the fairlead . I'm assuming the fairlead is big enough to accept the average co-drivers forearm....? cheers Steveb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithy1 Posted October 2, 2012 Author Share Posted October 2, 2012 Thanks for the replys RED winches do have a 2 years warranty unless u ram a tree or something Im going too look into the prices for Hyd set up but heard they were pricey Twin motor gigglepins are around 2k at the mo that y I looked at new hornet at 2.5 k Plus already got std sort of winch on my other truck that I use for laning and play days just wanted more speed for events Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michele Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 dont need 2 speeds with performance like this Is it my feeling or there's no load attached to the rope? Nice to see it stops instantly without overrun tho. Another electric option is the Tibus winch which (I've asked) comes with a 2 year "you break it, we fix it" warranty Yup, and as far as I can tell Daniel seems a nice guy and quite straightforward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Idris Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Terry would get bored and wander off if mine was that slow. I mean, mine free-reeves like that on tickover Seriously though, I fitted hydraulic with a direct front PTO for £1800 plus some extra bits and using some second hand bits we had. So it is comparable on price, and it looks to pull the same speed all the while, untill you reach full pressure, when it stops abruptly. But what a job to fit it! It was a serious engineering outing, with parts getting made from billet steel. So in many ways its a choice between easy-fit with a few big wires and an extra battery clamp, or many hours fighting half inch hoses through your engine bay. Personally, I enjoyed it, same as I liked making it dry sump Are you a driver or a builder ? p.s. I should add a disclaimer; It doesn't go 'that speed all the while'. That's with the motor driving the drum direct. 6:1 is a lot slower, so on light pulls you loose out to electric, but on hard pulls it does well. And I also like my 12,000lb goldfish. That thing is just unstoppable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLineMike Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 wow thats what I call living on the edge , reeling it in at that speed , that close to the fairlead . I'm assuming the fairlead is big enough to accept the average co-drivers forearm....? cheers Steveb why is it living on the edge if it stops instantly when the switch is released? its not an 8274 ya know, @team idris, yours may spool on like that at tickover in high but i know for a fact that a milemarker in high wont pull a jews foreskin back, plus how many times have you had to double line your truck? dont make me get the videos in here aswell................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Idris Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Guilty. if it does 4.5 tonne at 6:1, then one assumes it will do nearly a tonne on direct For reeving it's great, or if you want to travel distance with a bust diff it's also good, as you pull and pull and pull. But it is Weeeeeek. There isn't a vid of the really embarasing double pull one And I claim it was hooked on something unseen that time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 jmo Mike .. I know it stops instantly which is a massive step forward with electric winchs It just seems really close to the fairlead and one little bit of bramble stuck to the rope would snag a glove ... nice winch by the look of it cheers Steveb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLineMike Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B reg 90 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 The Red winch video had me squirming in my seat thinking about his arm being ripped off any second........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Idris Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Yeh, that's the huge amount of mud that we wern't getting through easily. I think Terry only got out because the beast cut a path and released the pressure around his waders But it well describes whats wrong with these long-drums. Doubling up doesn't just give 95% more pull, but pays out more rope putting you on a lower wrap. Full-drum to nearly empty-drum must give double the pull? (I could do with a dyneema rope-snag). And that makes me think a good rear winch would be a large diameter narrow drum, like a logging winch. Bunching would also be reduced. But it does need more gear reduction, and nobody makes one that isn't real heavy with an excavator drive in the middle. Perhaps my next project then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 I haven't doubled up in my entire life! Daan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michele Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 I wonder why!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 I haven't doubled up in my entire life! Daan Are you running a PTO winch or hydraulic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michele Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 PTO on steroids... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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