o_teunico Posted April 19, 2013 Author Share Posted April 19, 2013 Why a lowrider? Just see the pics... Oooooops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_teunico Posted April 19, 2013 Author Share Posted April 19, 2013 Only in USA! Cadillac bigfoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgasmic Farmer Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I think at -15cm you will be riding on the chassis unless you plan on modifying it. Look forward to seeing this develop though. Mental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 ... bit small Russia , Ladoga service area 2006 I think . Not my pic , but downloaded from a link in a thread on here iirc cheers Steveb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soren Frimodt Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Land Rover already has solved this problem (in '48 to be exact) It's called softtop and foldable windscreen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_teunico Posted April 19, 2013 Author Share Posted April 19, 2013 Chassis will need to be modified Lowest part of chassis is about 25cm from ground, so -15 could work fine for road. Front suspension will need to be 3 or 4 Link to maintain caster independent of riding height. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_teunico Posted April 19, 2013 Author Share Posted April 19, 2013 My idea is to use some Patrol Y60/61 axles. Rear one is 4 link. Will use LR´s A frame and the not used two Nissan upper links will go to front axle, along with moddified Disco II radious arms to create something similar to this. I´m waiting for the engineer´s answer to see if chassis/suspension could be modified under the new road going car regulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_teunico Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 Just some examples for starting this topic. Land Rover/Citroen/Nissan/Jaguar hybrid http://www.citroen-ds-id.com/ds/Landrover_with_Cit_Suspension.html "Centaur", half Stage I V8, half Scorpion tank Super body lift And lastly, my own (photoshop) cration, the multi-lot parking friendlybobbed Discovery lowrider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_teunico Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 London Taxi replacement using Range Rover parts: The CR6 prototype Lots of protos at http://www.aronline.co.uk/blogs/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_teunico Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 Want a house? Want a 4x4? Want a boat? Just build a body, in the style of the Saab 92H, in a Land Rover chassis and make it waterproof. You will have a Land Rover houseboat! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNTwUnM5pJY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CrcLNtOtrc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maarten88 Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Does someone recall the london taxi pickup on 109 chassis? I think I saw it on s2c, looked quite natural. Maarten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Ok, I've merged several of the more recent vapour build / daydream / conjecture / waffle / you name it threads into this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_teunico Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 That will make future reference much easier. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_teunico Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 Found this in a Transit forum This is a photoshopped L322 (found on the www, not my creation) Some years ago I found a very good looking Forward Control L322 (photoshop). Will try to recover it. Overload? What overload? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_teunico Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 Better aerodinamics for the Defender! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landy-Novice Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 i like the 2cv/defender! think i need to take some medicine.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelw Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I´m working in a full mechanical (no hydro/air) suspension idea that will enable 300mm (12") of riding height variation. The idea is to use -15cm setup with 205/65R16 van tyres for city/road, standard height for dry/light off roading along with 205R16 and +15cm for hard offroading, using 9.00R16s.Photoshopped Discovery with standard size tyres and -15cm setting. As I am trying to get through the monumental red tape of my particular EU county that has the same hard line as yours and similarly does allow modifications as by means of an SVA type thing and I am almost 100% sure you could get approval on air suspension on a Disco 1 without the need to destruction test it!! Now if your build could be built based on a model from an SVA(Portuguese equivalent?) What could your engineer recommend to get the bobtailing through? I think I am right in saying that body shell and chassis modifications may require a crash test, but it could depend on your local regs more than anything? Personally I think by using as much original type equipment you stand the greatest chance to get through the scrutineering process, although you would not be able to use a complete front axle from a P38 the front mounts for the air bags and shocks would be genuine parts and the rear axle is not so different and could easily be adapted to air, this I think would be your easiest route, too heavily modified and you won't get road going approval without crash testing, which means you will be risking your only car on the modifications you make, keep it simple and you stand a chance!! Without a doubt the chassis with the upside down "U" in it for the axle to go up into would deffo need crash test!! Not worth the risk of the complete car as once modded in that way and request approval it then may not be allowed to be reversed as it (in their eyes) will have significantly reduced structural integrity! Have you access to any other scrap motors to see how far you could go before needing crash testing in your province? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill van snorkle Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Overload? What overload? That is quite impressive! I can feel the pain the chassis and rear axle was suffering from all the way over here. How much ballast would be required on the front bumper to acheive such a feat ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soren Frimodt Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Hmm maybe thats why they opted for the Salisbury on the SIII ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_teunico Posted April 24, 2013 Author Share Posted April 24, 2013 For a "simple" air suspension, with no chassis moddifications, no crash-test is needed. You will need to provide the following data to the engineering company: -Make and model -Max operating pressure -Max axle weight -Piston size -Air volume of the entire system -Shock type -Anti roll bar type -Air line type -Air bag description -Drawing, pics and other relevant data. Regulations say that the system MUST have some kind of mechanical or electronic self leveling device, that is, you cannot just fit some valves to the bags and pump them by hand. At least that was what regulations said back in 2004. With plenty of P38 at scrapyards it could be possible to adpapt it´s suspension to the Disco, but it will be less reliable than coils. The Discovery we have broke the timing in it´s original engine (four years ago). My brother saw some cracks in the head while overhauling. He bought a secondhand head. Then a friend told him that there was a good 200tdi complete engine in good condition in a garage in Portugal and he traded some cash and the seconhand head for that engine. After fitting engine in car, it refused to start. He started overhauling this second engine, but then he said he was fed up and left it as it is today. Some of the engine parts have dissapeared, like a new camshaft he bought. Once I have a job my budget for the Disco will be something between 4000 to 6000 Eur. Despite beeing free, I have thought many times that it could be cheaper to buy a running Discovery (about 1500 Eur) than repairing my brother´s one (no engine, rotten body and lots of seized parts). If I go this route I could use my bros Disco as a test mule, and once I get crash test approval, addapt it´s moddifications to the running Discovery. This is my bros Discovery. With sagging rear coils, some load and slightly aired down tyres, it´s pefectly leveled. Max height with this setup is exactly 1.9m. Rear axle to bump stop distance is 80mm. Without those inverted "U" in chassis I think that -50mm will be the maximum safe suspension drop I could get. Since I want an exocage+roof rack, a Rangie (nearly 150mm lower overal) will not solve anything. This is the exocage (light bar) that I will fit. It´s from Tornado Motorsport. Cheap and very well made. Engineer said it´s OK because it´s rounded and stays close to body=pedestrian friendly. I could add a small roof rack over it while maintaining the same height as a standard Disco. With some 205/65R16 tyres the whole car will lower another 30mm. Only the older parkings have less than 1.9m height limitation. Today most of them are arround 2.1m, so I think that I could live with a total -80mm if I´m not allowed to fit those "U". I will also save the engine relocation needed for the -150mm suspension. My idea of mechanical height adjustable suspension is this This is the pic/drawing I have sent for evaluation to the engineering company. Original pic is from an aussie GQ with hidraulic bump stops. The ram will enable extreme suspension drop, and the pin will set the riding height. You will need to jack the car for adjusting it, but since each position is related to one tyre size, and you jack the care for changing tyres, there will be no problem with this setup. -City/Road: lowest position and 205/65R16 -Mild offroad: standard position and 205R16 -Extreme offroad: +150mm position and 9.00R16 I´m still waiting for the engineer´s response to see if this suspension, chassis and body (bobtail) mods will be possible to make road legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill van snorkle Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 There is a much more discreet way of acheiving height adjustable suspension that involves very little in the way of chassis/axle modification. A RangeRover/Disco coil spring measures some 6-7'' long when fully compressed. This is sufficient to fit most of a 6'' stroke hydraulic ram to the coil bucket ,concentric within the spring. The piston rod of the ram would push down on the spring via a specially made 'TopHat' shaped spring saddle. The front shock absorbers would need to bee relocated either for or aft of the springs as on air suspended Range Rovers. To keep things simple you could run a single hose to each ram via a single on /off valve so that the rams would be either fully extended for offroad travel or fully compressed for road work.You could even link the valve to the centre difflock control so the rams are fully compressed when CDL is disengaged. More sophisticated valving would be required for variable height control and prevent cross linking fluid flow, which would upset handling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_teunico Posted April 25, 2013 Author Share Posted April 25, 2013 Yes Bill, that´s my idea, but using a simple pin instead of hydraulic. I posted the picture of the GQ chassis because it was the closest thingto my idea that I have managed to take from the www. I have at home some tubular double shock turrets (from Padddock) that will do the trick. Some years ago I saw a Discovery (I think) in a LRE magazine that used some hydraulic rams to achieve a 8" lift. It could be lifted wheel by wheel. There is an off-the-shelf system from KW, but it´s aimed for super low sprts cars and it will eat all my budget. At 1min 20sec you see how it works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 That 2C-Fender looks great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_teunico Posted April 25, 2013 Author Share Posted April 25, 2013 Airshocks are nice, but you will need about 400 Eur. for each wheel, compressor, valves and air lines apart. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsNkVPg7uko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 On my last truck but one, I used Electric Linear Actuators in a similar manor to what Bill describes to move the top spring hanger up & down. The height was controlled by simple switches & relays. It was not particularly fast at about 0.5mm / second - but it meant that the vehicle would fit in my garage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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