Blanco Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 On the pump choice, (I've counted Cummins 6bt Ve, 603 and 606 so far), and also for those of us (assuming I am not the only one!) who are considering this conversion for a useful power and torque (+reliability?) increase for everyday towing and driving (as opposed to creating a 'monster'!)..... it might be nice if we could summarise the possibilities together with the required mods so that we can ponder the availability and cost implications; for example given boyt's tip about ebay Germany I found these, ... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261290269844?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261195501973?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 but with no Merc knowledge I have no idea whether they are workable options and what they might give power/torque wise in standard form and then ease/expense of mods etc. Wha d ya fink?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyt Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Both those pumps are no good. There electronic. I will dig out the part numbers for you for the pumps. I get them from my local scrap yard for 70 quid normally. But I have run out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyt Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 The om603 pump number 6030700101 that's the Mercedes part number and Bosch 0400076884 these pumps are good and have an alda fitted as standard. The om606 na pump will need an alda fitted to stop smoke on no boost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blanco Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Well its a start, thanks boyt. Mind you the only one on offer at the mo costs more than the whole car at the start of this thread! Dan, when the 6bt pump is described as 'doable' , I am guessing it will need a drive adaptor of sorts? Cheers Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickMac Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Thanks for the info Boyt. I'd already bought an E300TD to break for the stronger engine and contacted SMT AB to get the conversion kit for the hp22 autobox on seeing your post. Also got an OM603 pump off ebay in the US and have asked dieselmeiken for a price to tune. About to order a turbo manifold from KKD Motorsport. Read somewhere that the sump might need to be changed and that the correct one is available from Mercedes would you be able to help with a pn and a rough idea of the price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyt Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Would need part numbers but I will pull up pictures of the sumps. Dieselmeiken should charge around 700euros for the rebuild. From my measurements On a disco you just need to notch out the front crossmember. The oil filer will be tight to the bulk head but you can make a relocation kit for this. Timing of the pump is really easy . Have a tool you put in the pump with two lights on. Time engine to I think 15 degrees after tdc and move the pump on adjuster to both lights are on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyt Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 If the pump is in USA dieselmeiken has a company out there rebuilding the pumps for him using his elements. Might say on shipping costs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 If the pump is in USA dieselmeiken has a company out there rebuilding the pumps for him using his elements. Might say on shipping costs Might increase the import duty though..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickMac Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 The engine will be going into a buggy that was built to take an RV8 so hoping there's room. Engine position has been shifted back 9" but can be adjusted to suit. The pump is already on its way and I'll try to call Dieselmeiken tomorrow. Spoke to a specialist and found that the hp22 can take up to 400nm so should be ok for a while. I was a bit concerned so had to find out before going the SMT AB route. Where would I get the same timing tool, sounds like I need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat wilson Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 timing tool? if i remember correctly is 14.5 degress after TDC on the crank and then pin the injection pump, i use a 11mm ( i think will check tomorrow) drill bit with a slot cut into the end to lock it up works lovely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydiesel Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 Spoke to a specialist and found that the hp22 can take up to 400nm so should be ok for a while. I was a bit concerned so had to find out before going the SMT AB route. Where would I get the same timing tool, sounds like I need it. A stock hp22 will not take 400nm, a built hp22/24 hybrid box on redline oil with a massive cooler might just live! The stock 606 makes 355nm, with a dieselmeken pump and a decent Turbo you are going to be well over 450nm I cannot see even a lt85 or lt95 living for long behind a well fueled 606. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToyRoverlander Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Guy i know runs one in a vw jetta1. Modified 603 pump with bigger plunjers. Original turbo, intercooler, standard exhaust and fuel turnedup it ran 272hp an 670nm on the dyno. I doubt an lr gearbox will live. He has a bmw gearbox behind it, cut and welded bellhousings together to make it fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyt Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Mat Wilson that is the basic timing. Not the fine tuning. The timing box you can borrow from me. As long as you return it. There about 400 quid to buy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickMac Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 All good info regards the hp22, however I've had one behind the 4.6 for a few years worth of competition now and it's been ok so far. If it gives up I'll see if I can afford an uprated box from Dave Ashcroft. I won't throw the one out of the car away though just in case. Boyt, thanks for the offer. Let me pull all the stuff together over the next couple months and I'll give you shout. I'm running the merc as a spare car until the MOT runs out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyt Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Just let me know. I have a clutch kit for the conversion if anyone is interested. Cost 200. Had for couple of months Never used. 120 ono Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydiesel Posted November 16, 2013 Author Share Posted November 16, 2013 I have a clutch kit for the conversion if anyone is interested. Cost 200. Had for couple of months Never used. 120 ono What flywheel does the clutch bolt to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyt Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Om603 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickMac Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Dirty diesel, sorry about the thread hijack. Got some very useful info though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydiesel Posted November 20, 2013 Author Share Posted November 20, 2013 Om603 Do you have a part number/price for a 603 flywheel? Dirty diesel, sorry about the thread hijack. Got some very useful info though. Your input is most welcome, and is definatly not a hijack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyt Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 6030300605 there about 400 New 100 second hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydiesel Posted November 20, 2013 Author Share Posted November 20, 2013 Thanks, looks very light. http://www.german-spob.de/start.php?name=FLYWHEEL---CRANKSHAFT,-OM603.912&language=eng&nr=3d7eb19dd444b4638d5c82432b594528&seite=gebrauchtteile&seite_gebr=art_details&artikel_id=16420 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyt Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Not that light. It's solid and not dmf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydiesel Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 Not that light. It's solid and not dmf. 15kg? By the time you've turned off that big lip so a quartermaster Can be fitted and it would be a lot lighter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Quartermaster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Quartermaster? I was wondering too. Typo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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