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Hello, dear Folks & guys !

...I am new here in this forum and its a pleasure to know all the wheelers around the globe. Actually I am in a new project for planning a "mobile recording studio" based on a so called 5th Wheeler (pls see the dimensions of the trailers we need here as PDF: http://bit.ly/1ab0SqG )

We have thought a lot about whats the right truck to pull such a 5th Wheeler, and against the common opinion to decide for a Ford Ranger or Dodge Ram we target at a Land Rover based Chassis 6x6.

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Hopefully you can help me out by your experiences with some questions to get the right truck

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The first important question is: Where to get a LR 6x6 in Europe (for European streets) ? - I did little bit research on the web as you can see here or in a better quality as pdf: http://bit.ly/120ceWs

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The Perentie version (from Australia) looks nearby perfect what we need:

  • a trustable and robust working pull horse on the road through whole Europe
  • the right solution: double axe + 6x6 (I have watched many videos comparing a 4x4 to a 6x6 LR)
  • double cab (best with 7 seats)
  • pick up version for installing the 5th Wheel hitch

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I suppose it does not make sense because of expensive shipping costs to order a LR6x6 from Australia. (Rec.: If you have any ideas about to bring such a LR to Europe by shipping at low cost (without expensive import tax) to EU feel free to let me know.)

2nd question: From where to get a used LR 6x6 in Europe ? - We'd prefer traders who have experiences with LR... the available budget is at max. 15,000 Euros (inclusive the adaption to European norms) frankly to say as we have to invest into the 5th wheel trailer and studio equipment. Maybe AFLM has partners in EU you can suggest.

3rd question: What is the right engine ? - We will have a weight of the 5th Wheeler up to 8.5 tons. So at all inclusive the pickup truck its up to 10.5-11. tons gross weight (Rec.: In Europe the max. weight for such a car+trailer combination is 12 tons :-) ).

I have read that the 6x6 in Australia as "Long Vehicle" (length 6.020m) used as engine "ISUZU 4BDIT Turbo charged 3.9" (Source: http://bit.ly/178meGt ) - I am not a motor engine specialist, I like the sound. Its not bad nailing

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Is the power enough to pull 10-11 tons total weight ? - The power output is very low, isnt ? ( Only 139 hp - http://wiki.planetisuzoo.com/index.php/Engine_Specs#Diesel_fours ).

Another aspect of the engine: If its such a Diesel we have to take care about the European emission reglementations (Euro6 from 2014 on) as we need the "Green Viniette" to be allowed to drive with our mobile recording studio into the centres of the bigger European cities. Otherwise it becomes very expensive to pay mout fees with lower European emission standards - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_emission_standards ).

If we take an elder model less we might need to install a filter system, another extra costs eventually, between 1-2000 Euros.

Hopefully you can advice me and where to get such a used LR 6x6 as described, concretly. Many thanks in advance giving attention and orientation. Hearing from you asap...

Warm greetings from Hanseatic City Hamburg/North Germany.

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PS: The habit of a LR 6x6 offroad as seen in this video gives me a lot of trust even to handle a 8.5 heavy weight trailer hanging on the hitch... :-) Much more trustable than the US SUVs in my understanding, isnt ?! :-)
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With that weight forget landrover , coz it wont be a landrover other than a slight shape resemblance . The vehicle will need due to all the alterations a considerable number of hurdles with regard to inspection approvals and inspection . Your budget wont get near it . The six x six conversion is approx £10,000 for a start . Sorry to shatter your dreams .

You need to be looking at something like a small artic ex brewery dray type vehicle as a base .

The tow vehicle will need to be a LGV for the size of your studio .

Google Foleys specialist vehicles for 6x6 LR if your interested , but they are a non starter for what you want

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Welcome to the fórum!

Some time ago I also dreamed about a 6x6. Unfortunately local MoT regulations make nearly imposible to make a road legal 6x6 in Spain. In my case I hope to be able to use a powered trailer for making a 6x6 vehicle. Have a look at http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=81152&hl=

Why a 6x6 and why a LR? Aussie Perenties have showed that, in a big and heavy 6x6 application, LR components work far beyond their safety limits.

My choice will be a small HGV + trailer. Unimogs are very goog off road and have been desingned for the weight you want to carry.

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ExMoD vehicles could be purchased cheaply, with just Euro6 engine + 5th Wheel needing MoT approval

This could be another option. Body easyly moddified with VW LT parts

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Try http://www.ljacksonandco.com/index.php?option=com_joodb&view=article&joobase=10&id=11533%3Amercedes-unimog-u1300l-4x4-drop-side-cargo-truck&Itemid=158

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If you're paying people to do the work (not fabricating yourself) I think your budget is too small......

Try ex army truck. You'd get alot more for your buck. Either that or Yank Im afraid.

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tks folks, taking notice and answering me... and dont worry about destroying my dream *laugh*. I am robust as a LR :-)

About Foley: I contacted them and other specialists but yet didnt get an answer from anywhere. Foley offers a convention of 6x6 at the prize of 14.5T British Pounds, a double cabin... http://foleysv.com/land-rover-conversions/6x6http://foleysv.com/land-rover-conversions/6x6

I am just in the proof about what is possible and what makes sense (or no sense).... :-) So no self limitation to think in this or that direction.

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@"Old Hand": When I was soldier in German military, that time already I was a military radio operator (not by purpose just happened). And I had my own 4x4 truck, an Unimog. This vehicle is a fantastic working horse, and even on street very comfortable to drive with... I have good memories as 4x4 in snow and mud, too. ;-)

25 years ago we still had the old Unimogs, we just called them "Case" as they had a tinny "office" on board which gave you the feeling to be imprisoned... the steering of these old Unimogs was really body building work. :-)

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Luckily on my own I drove the modern model of 424 series which was built from 1976 on as you posted. Its nearby same look till today. Whats the current prize of a used double cabin one in Europe ?

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Naturally such a "mobile recoding studio" should have a cool look, too.... its a woking place and the well being is an important factor to challenge the intensive work in journalism and media prouctions. - In medias we use such a vehicle as promotion tool, too (naturally). It should be something cool, something extra ordinary to get attracted. Here a first "draft" how it might look in combination from outside.

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( PDF: https://www.box.com/s/360rews82zyske2nufsg )

The estimated budget I have calculated for now is round about 50-55 TEuro (for the 5th Wheel trailer, the studio equipment plus the truck) as our own share (equity). Its a "start up" project, and if we are doing the conception right waywe might get extra funds from government programmes.

But its not mainly the look what counts, of course. (Technical) Functions come first (design always has to follow function). Lets see what the future will brings.

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Another option I am checking out to take a LR 147. Have you noticed about? - It was produced in South Africa (some notices on the web say it is stil produced there.) The big cabin with less 7 seats would be more suitable as we dont like to have another car following the studio to transport the studio workers (audio engineer, editor/cutter, journalists, event organizer etc. ...) and musicians/artists. - Do you know any sources from where to get one ?

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(PDF: https://www.box.com/s/0shkll0enub9mgbv1wa1 )

Anyhow what kind of options will overstep the finish line pls feel free to give further critics and ideas... I will check the Unimog option... mostly its difficult in Germany to get access to military vehicles... The project is in a very early stage so we have no urgent hurry. ;-)

Tks in advance. Have a chilly weekend ! ;-) TC.

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Hi

Which ever way you cut it a Land Rover based concept is going to be overweight at 3.5T for vehicle and 4T for a trailer with powered brakes

I'd be looking at something in the 13t - 16t MAM ex Mil as others have said or an articulated unit that could be converted to 4x4

on the tractor unit

...some friends of friends built a mobile stage into a 7.5t truck and were amazed when it finished up at over 8.5t with no driver

good luck with the project , it sounds fun

cheers

Steveb

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Ask Foley's about whether or not there 'conversion' will pass TUV... See what they say

There is a nice 6x6 up for sale here www.millin.biz

It's a genuine factory vehicle built by Scottorn in '86 so has all the correct legal status including the VIN plate

It's got a Nissan FD 3.5 under the bonnet

At present with an Ali tipper back it's plated for 4.5 tonnes with a GTW of 7.5 tonnes. It's also built on a 110 chassis not the usual 127 chassis - making it a lot shorter. The Ali back is a simple take off

I've driven the vehicle and it's sweet - even unladen

The engine is from a Nissan 7.5 tonner but is now intercooled and would lend itself to tuning

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tks for all the comments till now... :-) Pls see my next posting as answer (I am still figuring out the technical procedure of this FORUM platform, seems one posting was doubled and I do not get rid of the attchments ???). Little bit in chaos as camper life can look sometimes...

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@ honitonhobbit: Tks... this dark blue DEFENDER GENUINE 6X6 1986C really looks great and beautiful. (I think you mean this: http://millin.biz/6x6-defender-tipper/ ).

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It would be a pitty to tear off the cage as the whole look is amazing (Rec.: Today (as non native English speaker) I learnt what a "chipper box" is.) The option fo such a LR in my specific case and needs would be using it as a stand alone solution for transporting the flight cases of a mobile studio to do concert recordings... and maybe use on top a "tent camper solution".

The camper version (6x6 Camper 300TDI) has its attraction, too. (Fully picture gallery here: http://bit.ly/12zKtKA ).

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This version might replace in my office the current radio recording studio (which has a size for now of 2.5x2.5 metres but could be reduced by a more efficient interior design using undertable racks down to 2x2.5 metres). The camper of "stanstorey" has a very intelligent room concept... well done I must say. (Rec.: I know this to validate as I was professional skipper in the 90th for sailing yachts, which is very similar like camping always with lack of space, tons of technical equipment and the need of clever solutions for using every milimeter space).

This "Silver" would be an intermediate step fo next 1-2 years and would give more time to plan the bigger project of a 18 metres long "vehicle combination". So lets see what stanstorey expects as prize... :-)

I wonder little bit about that this beautiful camper already was in auction on eBay two times without any concrete bid result. After ending the auction time twice till April (as 1st attempt) and 27th May (as 2nd attempt) its not yet re-listed. ( http://bit.ly/12zKi25 ). Seems this silver beauty didnt find a buyer yet. :-)

As you named "TÜV" as the technical certification institution. Yes, in Germany its a real drama to get the registration realized... but I have a Land Rover service company front door in Hanseatic City Hamburg who built on their own a 6x6 as a former project.... http://www.thomasschnell.de/land-rover-109-6x/

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(109 chassis)

So I think, I would not be lost with such a UK vehicle as personally I have lack of time to do any maintenance on my own.

for commercial use and registrating it as "truck" (LKW) to get benefit of lower tax rate it even must be proofen and tested annually. Luckily we live in free Europe and a right steering version isnt a problem for me to drive with on European streets "right traffic". So it can make sense to registrate a "production ltd" in UK and let run the car by insurance further on in UK, so it would be much easier to handle the legal aspects *laugh*.

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@Steve_B: Yes, its fun.... but same lots of work and time consuming planning. Anyhow.... there is no lack of creativity and it feels to move into the right direction having such "crazy ideas". :-) Lack of money often forces us to be creative. In my case, "little money" same forces to be creative. As we are in radio and music that remembers me guitar god Brian May from Queen, who loved his unique sound of the original guitar. Till today he let produce expensive replicas. But the original is the original. It was made by his dad, in his shed. Nearby unbelievable: the guitar body came from an old wooden mantelpiece, the tremolo arm from a bicycle saddlebag carrier. The knob on the end from a knitting needle and the springs were valves from an old motorbike. Brian and his dad had no money so he was forced to be creative. Today Brian uses heavy money to try for replicating the original creativity of his dad. :-)

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You need to work out what size (length) you need and what weight of equipment etc. You will then find that in UK (and EU) that certain vehicles eg not below 7.5 ton are needed to get maximum length, landrover will not be possible for that . Also above 4 ton towed you need active brakes eg air brakes .

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Whats the current prize of a used double cabin one in Europe ?

Sorry, cannot help with that. The ones that I have seen for sale in Spain were camper conversions with low mileage and BIG prices (40.000 to 60.000 Eur.).

How many seats do you need? In Spain Santana produced the 2000 model, a civvy version of the UK military 101. It was available with 2 seats (single cab), short double cab with four seats and long double cab (eight seats). Unfotunately it was produced only in Spain, and even here, they are difficult to obtain today (same apply for spares). It can have a max payload of 2 tons. If you are interested can try www.milanuncios.com , the most popular secondhand domain over here.

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Naturally such a "mobile recoding studio" should have a cool look, too.... its a woking place and the well being is an important factor to challenge the intensive work in journalism and media prouctions.

Another option, that could be even cheaper, will be to simply change the look of a propper HGV/LKW with a cab/body swap. A rolled over truck will be cheaper tan a staight one, and a body donnor with broken engine will be cheaper tan a full car in good working order.

An extremly cool LKW with lots of passenger capacity will be an ex fire brigade unit.

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If you live in Germany, maybe a trip to some former soviet lands will give you acces to extremly cool vehicles.

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If you can live without the articulated arrangement, a bus/coach moddified with parts from a 4x4, 6x6 or 8x8 LKW will do the trick. Because of regulations, older buses are not allowed for public transport (in Spain 16 years old is the limit), but are OK for private use. That makes them cheap, and with plenty of AdBlue injected, could even comply with Euro6 without the need of an engine swap.

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Of course an articulated bus/coach will give you both designs in one, and you will have plenty space for the recording studio and seating, coocking and sleeping areas. NEOPLAN are the coolest coaches ever made (just IMHO)

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Another option, that could be even cheaper, will be to simply change the look of a propper HGV/LKW with a cab/body swap

Using Defender/Series panels over a LKW chassis you could make your own Land Rover 129"

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Building your own forward control...

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...but as I have said, I think that a Land Rover will be extremly overstressed with your intended trailer (but good for a 2x2.5m mini studio).

For the mini studio even a 4x4 will do, with some more rear overhang

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That's quite a project.

A Land Rover is really the wrong vehicle for this. It is possible to use a Land Rover, if you decide you really must, but it will be very compromised (slow, heavy, unreliable, use lots of fuel).

If you need a mobile big space + heavy load then you will spend 1/10th of the money and time just buying a truck. There are some very good 4x4 trucks out there which are ex-army or fire service which will cost similar to a good used defender to buy, but be so much better in every way for the job at hand. The Magirus-Deutz fire engines are good for 4000 euro, they are 4x4, have efficient aircooled diesels, big cabs, plenty of space in the back. Volvo TGB 6x6's are very nice as an off-road camper but not such a good prospect for long road trips without a few upgrades. There's plenty of 7.5 ton 4x4 trucks to chose from.

Think carefully about what is important in this project - using a defender & torturing yourself & your wallet, or having a user-friendly vehicle that is a pleasure to own and use.

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It may be better to put a Defender cab on a small truck chassis, this way you'll have the looks of the Defender combined with the towing ability and legality of the truck.

Not saying it'll be easier to get approved though!

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A bus/coach can always be converted to pick up and 5th Wheel added

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Have a look a this. Something similar, but with a 4x4/6x6 towing vehicle could fit your needs.

EDIT: STOP PRESS - BREAKING NEWS

One of NEOPLAN Jumbocruiser (only 12 ever built) is FOR SALE IN GERMANY! If you want a cool vehicle, this is your oportunity.

Your LR Budget will be too short, but with this bus a 5th wheel trailer will not be needed, so you could use part of the trailer Budget for the bus. It´s on the Guiness record book, so will be great as a promo for your recording business.

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More info: http://www.derbus.de/

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I've driven both the Silver and the Blue 6x6's

The Silver feels big and a bit cumbersome but is beautifully built.

Just ring Sam who owns both and talk to him!

:-) already in dialogue with Sam.... I suppose he has little bit high expectations about the prize for part financing buying a house *laugh* . Lets see. :-) Tks anyhow about the tipp.

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It may be better to put a Defender cab on a small truck chassis, this way you'll have the looks of the Defender combined with the towing ability and legality of the truck.

Not saying it'll be easier to get approved though!

oho... cool idea... I am not an engineer or car expert.... and as I have lack of time to screw around in the garage I suppose I'd need an expert around to plan such a conversion project. Little bit risky, time consuming and the budgeting isnt of a safe planning as many unexpected surprises might appear. :-) And personally I prefer the original... it would not give me a feeling to drive a "fake version" ;-) Lets search further on to find the right solution. Tks anyhow for your idea.

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Using Defender/Series panels over a LKW chassis you could make your own Land Rover 129"

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Building your own forward control...

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...but as I have said, I think that a Land Rover will be extremly overstressed with your intended trailer (but good for a 2x2.5m mini studio).

For the mini studio even a 4x4 will do, with some more rear overhang

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actually I have a 2.5 x 2.5 metre studio in my office ( http://www.imcradio.net/studio ) and reducing it to a "street version" of 2 x 2.5 might be the quickest turn to come onto the road. As an interims solution I could live with that for maybe 1 year... but what then ? - We'd need a following up project.... personally I like to know whats coming behind the horizon (better way for safe business planning), especially in times of world recession, bank & euro crisis.... :-)

The 2nd miliary look truck version is really great. What model is it ??? Looks like an East European type... :-)

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The funny thing looking at all your comments, postings, suggestions and ideas: in tendency you push me back from where I come. The Land Rover 6x6 is the last version of conceptual idea. But first let me show you the 3 other versions I started with.

1.) In USA long time ago started the so called NightLiners, some know it as "sleeper buses". You have capacities of 15-16 beds regularly. Lots of space for bigger crews inclusive 2 drivers, cook, the studio team and the musicians whom you can pickup and deliver from city to city.

Yes, Rock stars like Madonna, U2 and Lady Gaga or Bon Jovi are on the road in such luxury vehicles travelling through USA or whole Europe... no boring, stressfully and time consuming hotel check-ins every day and driving back into the hotel after the concert.... jumping on board of such a coach waiting backstage of the concert hall, and quickly you have your own cosy living room with your own way of cooking, cool drivers around who care for everything and over night you drive to the next gig with.... its the best way to live on the road in the music industries business by sure. In my understanding, too much luxury... but for rock super stars probably the right thing to feel cool *laugh*:

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So here the functionally idea of a Double Decker Coach I have drafted 1st. Nowadays the best probably is a Setra model....

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(Rec.: The Neoplan Starliner has not the European network for maintenance.)

Such a Setra is in the market as used version very rare, just missed to get one (a S 228 DT) for a good prize of less than 30,000 Euros... the design and interiour concept was exactely what I was looking for, but it was sold front my nose on 1st June:

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As new S 431 DT you get at the prize "naked" from Setra (its headquarter is settled in South Germany) at round about 380 Thousand Euros + individual interior design + studio so we can say: round about half a million. Definitely not that size of money pockets I have available for now.

If you run such a studio recording coach for 10 years, doing 2 concert recordings per month then the refinancing works. But as mentioned, its a start up project I am moving into and yet we are not established in the international market of radio broadcasters... this step for now would be little bit risky.

Another beautiful double decker is produced by Van Hool, the T8 82403...

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2.) Another option of a coach version is that what "o_teunico" presented here... an articulated Double Decker long version as typicyally PreVost H5-60 built it... very beautiful. Such Buses of 700-800,000 km on the clock are in the market for less than 30,000 Euros...

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In Netherlands there is one available of Suzuki Racing Team... its a Van Hool TG 822 Altona

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Personally I like this kind of articulated double decker as Nightliners most. Yet I have not proofed (I mean calculated) the maintenance, wheels, running costs ect. ... Fuel consumption is OK, its round about 30 litres per 100 km. If you have 10 people on board, its only 3 litres per person. Acceptable and less compared to smaller cars I would say.

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3.) For a compromize I have looked around for used smaller "Motor Homes"... less capacities of beds (up to 9-10), but still attractive... looks like this:

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Mainly such "Motor homes" of 36-40 feet length (all with Bunk Houses), imported from USA. A qualified importer very view exist in Europe is the company Stingray in UK - www.stingrayrv.com . The prizes of used Motorhomes are attractive of round about 40,000 Euros, but the US interior design is "very old fashion". Everywhere 'heavy dark wood'. Not really what I like to have as a cool image.

There are different, modern, light and fresh designs out there which I'd prefer compared to the typical heavy wooden look of the US Motorhome vehicles....

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4.) So why I came in here with a 5th Wheel + Land Rover 6x6 Pickup concept as 4th alternative ???? - One important aspect (beside the budget) is: How to park such a huge coach in midth the centres of the European cities drowned in traffic jam.... the studio shall be used for recording concerts... so we'd need to be front the door of the concert halls with the coach.... mostly close around in the bigger cities there is no parking space. Logistically its a challenge.

So I have thought: lets park the 5th Wheeler little bit outside the centre, load flightcases onto the pickup, drive into the centre of the city. Do the recording and after the concert at midnight or 01:00 am (mostly thats the time to finish such a job) going back to the trailer, hook it on the hitch and have a break/sleepfully night.

Sometimes we are scared of our own big ideas.... *laugh*. Let me rethink to where you lead me. Sometimes we should trust our first intuition. ;-)

Tks all guys here for your inspriation... its a good motivation you take part in my project.

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EDIT: STOP PRESS - BREAKING NEWS

One of NEOPLAN Jumbocruiser (only 12 ever built) is FOR SALE IN GERMANY! If you want a cool vehicle, this is your oportunity.

Your LR Budget will be too short, but with this bus a 5th wheel trailer will not be needed, so you could use part of the trailer Budget for the bus. It´s on the Guiness record book, so will be great as a promo for your recording business.

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More info: http://www.derbus.de/

naturally I have noticed of.... its a huge bus, indeed.... the fame of this bus, its story probably will be more disturbing than helping. ;-)

Yes a beautiful concept and very cool design. We'd need more office space to work for our media productions... less loungery would be more usefully, otherwise the team will hang around all time at the bar and have drings. *laugh*

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Yes, Santana I have noticed about... they stopped their production meanwhile. The company has been sold. And yes, looking to East Europe is an option. We have many traders in Germany dealing this military stuff... :-)

About the seats... we'd need less 7-8 seats... best 9-10.... so thats why I liked to focus on 5th Wheel. The 36-40 Feet trailers have 9-10 beds with bunk houses... :-)

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This is a very cool 6x6 truck indeed.... little bit small cabin (I'd prefer a double cabin).


If you live in Germany, maybe a trip to some former soviet lands will give you acces to extremly cool vehicles.

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That's quite a project.

A Land Rover is really the wrong vehicle for this. It is possible to use a Land Rover, if you decide you really must, but it will be very compromised (slow, heavy, unreliable, use lots of fuel).

If you need a mobile big space + heavy load then you will spend 1/10th of the money and time just buying a truck. There are some very good 4x4 trucks out there which are ex-army or fire service which will cost similar to a good used defender to buy, but be so much better in every way for the job at hand. The Magirus-Deutz fire engines are good for 4000 euro, they are 4x4, have efficient aircooled diesels, big cabs, plenty of space in the back. Volvo TGB 6x6's are very nice as an off-road camper but not such a good prospect for long road trips without a few upgrades. There's plenty of 7.5 ton 4x4 trucks to chose from.

Think carefully about what is important in this project - using a defender & torturing yourself & your wallet, or having a user-friendly vehicle that is a pleasure to own and use.

Tks for your critical advices... you are right, is has to be proofen very critically about the "whats" and "whys". As its not a "just for fun" vehicle the decisions and selections must be made wisely...

Isnt it tricky to setup a project with just buying a chassis and fitting into a mashine... I am not an expert, same I am not one of these fantastic do it yourself "screwer" who can invest hundreds or even thousands of hours till they get what they want as their dream project.

Since I am going through this project by pre-research never I fell over Volvos... indeed, they are well known as big trucks, but a middle sized as we need it probably up to 12 tons it didnt come across my path yet. Not a single one...

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Of course an articulated bus/coach will give you both designs in one, and you will have plenty space for the recording studio and seating, coocking and sleeping areas. NEOPLAN are the coolest coaches ever made (just IMHO)

Neoplan_FrontView.jpg

In UK the Skyliners of Neoplan are very common. I just got the info that Neoplan has lots of economically troubles in UK... seems they missed to get the turn around in Coach businesses.... the most well known project was the Neoplan JumboCruiser...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplan_Jumbocruiser

They use it in Germany for a NGO in the segment of "Street Youth Work"... I like these monster buses a lot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Neoplan_Jumbocruiser_(Doppelstockgelenkbus)_der_Treberhilfe_Dresden.jpg

How to handle them in the inner city areas safely where we have to go for concert recordings ???!!!! Imagine to be in Spain or Italy... :-)

You can see how challenging this bus is to handle in the city in this video:

If you appear with such a N138 you have guarantee to be an eye catcher by sure... :-)

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