Bingy Posted July 16, 2013 Author Share Posted July 16, 2013 I haven't done a compression test yet Cam was put in when engine was built by rob at v8 developmwnts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRecklessEngineer Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I'd be checking the injectors are actually squirting. Pull the fuel pump relay, connect a spare injector to each injector socket in turn. Crank it with the injector in your hand (or short the PIP from EDIS to ground rapidly). You'll feel it click if it's working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Also By a NOID TESTER Fantastic bit of kit, sealey do ione not expensive either It will tell you 100% if a signal is being sent to the injectors one by one http://www.sealey.co.uk/PLPageBuilder.asp?id=20&method=mViewProduct&productid=10059 Now part of my standard trouble shooting kit Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingy Posted July 16, 2013 Author Share Posted July 16, 2013 I'd be checking the injectors are actually squirting.Pull the fuel pump relay, connect a spare injector to each injector socket in turn. Crank it with the injector in your hand (or short the PIP from EDIS to ground rapidly). You'll feel it click if it's working. AlsoBy a NOID TESTER Fantastic bit of kit, sealey do ione not expensive either It will tell you 100% if a signal is being sent to the injectors one by one http://www.sealey.co.uk/PLPageBuilder.asp?id=20&method=mViewProduct&productid=10059 Now part of my standard trouble shooting kit Nige I keep thinking about this Its now doing my nut in. Rather than trying this and that, Do you not really think that i should get the board checked over first? If the board hasnt been correctly put together, its never going to do what it should Yes i have had it on the jimstim and the led lights flash But that all that has been checked. The lad who built it said that he couldnt check the ignition side of things. Not only that, i have downloaded megatune and installed Niges 4.6 safe map. I have set the tps on megatune and the serial port connection, but do i need to set anything else up. When i load the map, megatune says that there are 477 read errors. I was just told to agree to them and carry on Is this correct? Who feels sufficiently confident and proficient enough to have a good look at my board then? Beer tokens can be supplied to the successful candidate I thought the power commander for the bike was a pain to fit Glad that is only a v-twin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynic-al Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Have you checked the basics of the engine? People often get dazlled by the flashy megasquirt side and over look old school. Check everything as if you were setting up a carb engine for the first time. If its niges map then I'm sure it's been tried and tested as a first start on many engines and I'm sure it'll be a compatible map with your current setup but it would be interesting to if the timing is right physically on the engine and electronically if you could get that far. Are you 100% sure you've plugged all the unused air holes? Did you say it's a v8 developments engine, I'm sure I've been there and they had an engine test dyno. Did they run it before you got it and give you it's performance graph? I'm sure that's where I took a kit car for someone for an engine rebuild and it came back with tuning on a dyno. Although I guess that was a full engine with carb etc. Also I'm sure (although its taxing my awful memory and I could be mixing up people and companies) there is a guy there called Shaun who's up on megasquirt and does tuning. Might be worth a call to test my memory if nothing else What board do you have and what extras? I guess one way to check it would be to find someone with the same board, load their map and plug it into their car. What do you mean by read errors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingy Posted July 17, 2013 Author Share Posted July 17, 2013 v8 developments do dyno engines but didnt do mine as they wanted it fit the megasqiurt kit to the flywheel and only do full engines megasquirt is niges megasquirt1 v3 with edis I wouldnt mind somebody having a proper look at the board to make sure all the components are on correctly Errors/warnings As for carbs, ha ha i was just thinking about ripping the whole lot off and sticking a pair of SU's on But then i still need the ignition side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynic-al Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I'm not the right person to look at your board and tell you if its made correctly, although I have found following the mega manual build guide start to finish helps find board faults as it gives you things to test along the way. If you really think there is a fault your welcome to plug It into my car and try and get it to run. It's a baggy old thing though! I'm in S****horpe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncientGeek Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 477 warnings doesn't sound right. If I remember correctly, with a small mismatch of versions you will get 2 harmless warnings. I would go and look at that log file. Then double check what version of firmware you have installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRecklessEngineer Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 477 warnings is a bit suspect. However, if it's flashing all the right LEDs on the stim and it's firing on 4 then it's pointing to the loom wiring. It's much more likely to be a problem external to the MS unit. Check you've got +12V to all the injectors as well as holding each injector in turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Er 477 warnings = you may have found your fault(s) 4 at best - these are normally things like celciyus vs farenhit etc and make no real issues, but 477 !!!!!!!!!!!! Lets just take a step back I think this was a built ECU from moi ? if so it will have either 029v or 029y4 as the firmware (operating system if you like) You should then have had a CD from me with MATCHED software, ie this software is for 029V / 029y4 and the ECU was loaded with a MSQ prob 4.6 "Safe". So, what is the software you have loaded ?, I am seriously puzzled why you have 477 warnings if you have my ECU / firmware loaded / Marched software ? If you don't have the right Megatune version and the firmware and MSQ and MT are not matched then it is the stuff of nightmares (been there done that) Please just clarify whats what etc ?Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingy Posted July 17, 2013 Author Share Posted July 17, 2013 Er 477 warnings = you may have found your fault(s) 4 at best - these are normally things like celciyus vs farenhit etc and make no real issues, but 477 !!!!!!!!!!!! Lets just take a step back I think this was a built ECU from moi ? if so it will have either 029v or 029y4 as the firmware (operating system if you like) You should then have had a CD from me with MATCHED software, ie this software is for 029V / 029y4 and the ECU was loaded with a MSQ prob 4.6 "Safe". So, what is the software you have loaded ?, I am seriously puzzled why you have 477 warnings if you have my ECU / firmware loaded / Marched software ? If you don't have the right Megatune version and the firmware and MSQ and MT are not matched then it is the stuff of nightmares (been there done that) Please just clarify whats what etc ? Nige Are you all sitting comfortably Then i will begin Once upon a time........................... Nige i bought the full 3.9 kit off you, all unbuilt I gave the board and all the resistors etc to the geek (idiot) at work to build for me Half way through the build i swapped to the 4.6 Once the board was built ( nearly 18 months later) i was given the rest of the kit back to fit on my motor Wiring loom kit, lambda, ait, etc I asked you for a new map and you sent one together with a pwm kit You also sent me an install cd with the 4.6 map on Once it was ready to start and despite several arguments with the geek i needed the cd to load megatune onto the laptop. The swore blind that he had given it to me with the kit. I knew i didnt have it So.................i downladed the latest version ( oooops) Afer all the help and advise on here i showed the idiot at work your email this morning nige, who still swore he didnt have it. I asked him what the cd was down the side of the printer Dunno.........erm ah oops here. The correct cd finally turns up. I have just rushed home , uninstalled the old megatune software installed the correct stuff and i now get this .... BUT its not over yet No matter what coms i try it on it wont connect Either on or offline. Go easy with me lads, im only a humble welder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 HAHAHAHA Wound him Horribly OK 2 warning is OK, that prob C vs F on temp, so good news !Now go back to the prev post re things to test tweak / check and report back Nige PS if he tries to crawl away wound him some more its for his own good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 What do you mean it "Won't Connect" ?? N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingy Posted July 17, 2013 Author Share Posted July 17, 2013 HAHAHAHAWound him Horribly OK 2 warning is OK, that prob C vs F on temp, so good news ! Now go back to the prev post re things to test tweak / check and report back Nige PS if he tries to crawl away wound him some more its for his own good There are many ways to skin a cat..... !st im going to try it with a length of 6 inch pipe It used to connect to coms port 1 since re installing megatune i have got down to coms port 20 still no joy. ''Verify ECU Connection Click to test No responce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynic-al Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 You can search which com port it's on but that shouldn't have changed. What speed is it set to communicate at? Are you using a serial port or USB adaptor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncientGeek Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I seem to remember the unbuilt kits come with the B&G firmware, you have to upload the MSextra firmware. It is easier than it sounds. Until you do that it won't connect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingy Posted July 23, 2013 Author Share Posted July 23, 2013 I seem to remember the unbuilt kits come with the B&G firmware, you have to upload the MSextra firmware. It is easier than it sounds.Until you do that it won't connect. i was suspicious of this too. The MS Extra guys told me to look on tuner studio and that would tell me what was installed After looking i had an earlier version So i have updated to 29y4 as the map is supposed to be for. It now connects straight away on comms port 1 on the Jimstim Im still waiting for the postie to bring a Noid set and i also bought an inlne spark plug tester to see if the coil is still sparking under load. As soon as all the gear arrives i will report back. Would it help diagnostically if i did a megalog or is this just for running engines? Cheers lads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Not really MLOG is best when running Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 If it isn't running there's nothing to log. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingy Posted July 24, 2013 Author Share Posted July 24, 2013 If it isn't running there's nothing to log. It does run Just on four cylinders i have a log, but dont know how to put it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Noisy Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 The only thing I have read that I didn't like was you said you gapped the plugs to .08 Normally plugs are gapped to .8 but with MS you can afford 1.0mm Might be a typo but yano thought I best mention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingy Posted September 22, 2013 Author Share Posted September 22, 2013 Bit of an update............. I got a set of noid testers and thes semm to flash away happily as do the the inline led spark plug caps. I took all the injectors out, connected them one by one to a pressurised garden sprayer full of fuel and a battery. These all seemed to squirt fine. I smashed up a spark plug, put a long 8mm bolt in and with a dti I once again checked the timing and that the trigger wheel was right on no1 cylinder I bought a compression tester and did a compression test the readings were all over the place I took the rocker covers off and all looked good, oil in there I took the Plenum, trumpets and inlet manifold off together with the valley gasket All looks good in there too. I squirted some oil all over the valves, tappets cam and lobes and turned it over by hand all looks good. So i rang Ray Webb at V8 Developments, my engine builder and asked him what the compession should be and told him what i had. He said that doing a test was useless. He said that the engine needs to run for 3-4 miniutes to fully pump up the tappets. Without the tappets being fully pumped with oil a compression test is useless. I mentioned that i was having problems getting the engine to start, but i had also fitted a Megasquirt. As the engine wasnt running properly, i was thinking it was the megasquirt and not the engine He said that the needed to run to get the oil up to the tappets etc to get the full lift of the ? Without this the valves werent opening to there full capacity. He did say that if i was struggling with the install he would ask Phil to take a look as he is the guy that imports megasquirts into the counrty Or if i wanted to telephphone Shaun the guy that sets up MS2 for him he would gladly give me his number Im sticking with you guys though, you lot know all about landrovers and MS1 and Nige is only at the end of the phone Regarding the Megasquirt, my mate freid the chip . Nige got it checked out. New board needed ( Lets not go there.........arrrrrgh) But all the above was done on the old board and fitting the new USB one things were exactly the same Before the engine was stripped of the top inlets etc i did a short video of it running ( albiet roughly) But its 54mb and i have shortened it as much as i can I dont know how to upload a video, but would like someone to look at see whats what. So where am i upto? As the inlets, plenum and trumpets are off im getting them ported upto 45mm and 72mm plenum. Theresa no point having stage three heads and choking it on standard inlets The rad is in and theres just the header and heater to pipe And i just need to get some new oil pipes either made or i will make them up Then its ding ding round two Fingers crossed John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazza Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 So if I understand this correctly - you started the engine that ran on 4 cylinders. Had you just rebuilt the engine? Your engine re-conditioner is correct; the lifters need to be run at 2500rpm for a few minutes to fill them with oil. If you fitted a new camshaft and lifters, you need to run it at 2500rpm for at least 20minutes to work-harden the new cam lobes, or else the camshaft will wear out very quickly. How is the valve timing? Cheers Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingy Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 So if I understand this correctly - you started the engine that ran on 4 cylinders. Had you just rebuilt the engine?Your engine re-conditioner is correct; the lifters need to be run at 2500rpm for a few minutes to fill them with oil. If you fitted a new camshaft and lifters, you need to run it at 2500rpm for at least 20minutes to work-harden the new cam lobes, or else the camshaft will wear out very quickly. How is the valve timing? Cheers Charlie Charlie, the engine is all new. The engine builder built it up and timed the cam in when it was built. All i have fitted to the engine is the front timiing cover ancilleries and the inlet manifold and rocker covers But i have also fitted megasquirt. when i started the engine, strangeley it only ran on 4 cylinders from one set of coils i swapped the coil for the other and strangeley it was the same cylionders firing and not the opposite ones ruling out the coils. I have been very cautious in starting the engine, only letting it run at most for a miniute or two. i have been worried that i may have wiring problems regarding megasquirting install But i havent treid running any longer in case of damaging the engine which is far more valuable than the megasquirt but abviously i need to get it right in order to run the engine at a minimum of 2500 revs If you see what i mean Once all the inlet manifold etc is back on and all replumbed in im going to give it a good go - despite all my worries. My enigine builder said i was correct in keep stopping and checking things rather than just trying to sort it out whilst it was running John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Have you had it up to 2500rpm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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