o_teunico Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Yes, I (nearly) have a REAL , and no vapour, Discovery! A friend of mine is selling his 200 Tdi. After more than one year unemployed, my bank account is not very healthy, but my friend understand my situation an is going to store the vehicle (no Mot/insurance) until january 2014. If, by then, I´m still working, I will give him 3500 Eur. and the Discovery, plus tons of spares, will be mine! Picture taken in 2002, when I met Jose Antonio and his Discovery for first time The car, as it was last time I saw it This has been a 100% pure offroad vehicle. First owner used it for desert trips in Morroco. With 110.000km in the clock, it was part exanged for a Disco II at a Land Rover dealer. It was then when Jose Antonio bought it. It was his weekend greenlaning machine. He recently added a new suspensión setup, new winch bumper, rear locker and, bought but not mounted yet, rear bumper, extended wheel arches and sill protectors. Odometer reads now 160.000Km, not bad for a 20 years old vehicle. I will like to add an external roll cage, front locker and some kind of double low box. Left to right: Jose Antonio´s Discovery, Gustavo´s V8 (now sold), my Tipo and Rodrigo´s Vitara (later swapped for a Disco 300) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimaquinas Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 you need to get out a bit more there was a 1996 300 tdi with all the trimmings on facebook for 1200 euros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_teunico Posted August 3, 2013 Author Share Posted August 3, 2013 I think that 3500 is a good price. I have seen cheaper Discoveries, but never one as clean as this. It´s in excellent condition, low mileage for it´s 20 years, everything approved at ITV/MoT and with lots of spares. Another friend has a 300, also with low mileage and freshly painted, for 2500, but it´s absolutely stock. For 1800 there is a 200 here in Lugo, even with 6 months warranty, but again, absolutely stock. Just the winch, snorkel and locker will summ 2000 Eur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbs Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Why do the extras like the winch etc. add so much to the value of the vehicle? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UdderlyOffroad Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Why do the extras like the winch etc. add so much to the value of the vehicle?John Strict spanish "MOT" rules - am sure OT can elborate, but from all I've read, having accessories fitted with the correct paperwork would add to the value of a secondhand truck. Unlike in the UK - where people look to buy clean, unmolested trucks and fit toys themselves to their taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_teunico Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 Yes, in Spain MoT approving gadgets like snorkel, winch, lockers, roll bars, etc need paerwork from an engineer. I have contacted an engineering company for approving external roll bars from Tornado Motorsport, and paerwork itself sums more tan the price of the bars! Adding the twin shock mounts that my brother bought, but never fit his Disco, and Tornado´s bars will summ something between 250-350 Eur just for paperwork. You will need to add 50-100 for the MoT inspection and V5 writting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbs Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Strict spanish "MOT" rules - am sure OT can elborate, but from all I've read, having accessories fitted with the correct paperwork would add to the value of a secondhand truck. Unlike in the UK - where people look to buy clean, unmolested trucks and fit toys themselves to their taste. Blimey and we think we have It bad here In the UK Many thanks Matt and OT John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Blimey and we think we have It bad here In the UK Yep - for all the Daily-Mail style whining that goes on here, people need to go abroad and talk to some foreigners about what their rules are! They are usually absolutely amazed an incredibly jealous at what we can get away with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Boom, get saving up then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelw Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Does almost make me wish I was back home sometimes with the rules and regs we have here I will say that at least there they can get stuff approved and written on, can do so much here but lifts and such are big no, no's!! Even diff locks are a grey area due to fitment being considered "tampering within the drive train" good luck and dig deep in your pocket my boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_teunico Posted August 7, 2013 Author Share Posted August 7, 2013 First "NO" for me has been the fitment of a bull bar. It was a factory fittment, but Jose Antonio changed it for a reinforced bumper with integrated winch mount some months ago. Since 2009 bull bars are banned here, and once taken off it cannot be refitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelw Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I kind of get that but I am ever so happy that I have that on my papers as fitted before 2007 as we got the ban 2yrs ahead of you then, but this is in respect of "A" bars too even the so called soft "A" bars are a grey area, I have just bought my H/D winching bumper and although I am in no hurry to fit the winch I got it with winch as to cover all bases for the future, trouble is will have to get busy and get it very roughly brush painted so I can bluff my way through the safety test unless it stays in the box until after it has been tested? What rules you got for wheel and tyre fitment down there? We got some strange ones here!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_teunico Posted August 7, 2013 Author Share Posted August 7, 2013 What rules you got for wheel and tyre fitment down there? We got some strange ones here!!! New tyre size cannot be narrower tan the original (forget 7.50R16 in a Disco), load rating must be the same or higher and mínimum speed rating is "Q" if they are marked as "M+S". Road tyres, same or higher. Brakes are tested with new tyres and speedo must be adjusted. In the case of wheels, new track cannot exceed the original in more than 130mm. What "strange" rules are out there? I have not seen yet vehicle´s V5, but if they have not written on it the bull bar desinstallation, there is a chance I could refit it and pass the MoT (obviously at a different MoT station, because now they take pictures of the car every time you visit them!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelw Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 We got a great one for passenger carrying cars that any new tyres cannot exceed the original rolling radius by 1.5% but on a light commercial the tyre size is not restricted at all So I can have the 235/85 16 no problem as my truck is light commercial, but like you they must be of the same spec or higher for load and speed ratings. Another random is that as a light commercial truck I "MUST" have rear mud flaps fitted but front is optional, although not specified for passenger carrying cars although they do mention "if originally fitted, must be working". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_teunico Posted August 8, 2013 Author Share Posted August 8, 2013 Here we can pass the MoT test with a 3% margin (bigger or smaller) tyres, but only applied for factory sizes. For example, in the case of the Discovery, I will have a 3% over 205R16 and 235/70R16 (the two sizes originally written on it´s V5). If I add 235/85R16 to the V5, this new size will NOT have any margin. Once a new tyre size is approved, you can fit any of the previous sizes without further approval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelw Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Things like a lifts are not "approved" at all and if if a lift is suspected they can and will pull manufacturing spec sheet and vernier calipers and measure the springs thickness, so many people shy away from bigger tyres as it could indicate that a lift has been made to accommodate them, I know guys who go to the lengths of removing lift kit and fitting standard and swap to standard size tyres just for the safety test each year, hard core them fellas!! There is a lot you can get away with it just depends on how brave you are at being able to bluff your way through any questions they have. I know a couple of guys who have taken pictures of their cars going through the test and used them as proof before now, but the powers that be are tricky and will fine you for saying the sky is blue if they so feel like it. But like I say getting approval of anything here is non existent, they do not want anything older than 10yrs old on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_teunico Posted August 8, 2013 Author Share Posted August 8, 2013 In Spain lifts arte OK as long as they are conpensated with a track increase, so stability can be guaranted. Up to 4-5 cm lift you can have it without increasing track. This one is funny: daylight running lights. Can be sourced from eBay for less than 5 Eur. but you will need: -CE conformity paperwork. Must be given to you by light´s manufacturter with the product. -"E" inside circle stamped on the light itself, as guarantee of european homologation. -Workshop installation certificate. Between 20 to 40 Eur. -"Moddification Certificate", made by an engineering company, about 200 Eur. -MoT inspection and V5 writting, 45 Eur. on. As you see, some 5 Eur. light need, at least, 265 Eur on paperwork Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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