doublem1 Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Reason I ask is because the defender I have recently bought came with a carrier but wasn't attached. It's missing the 6 bolts that attach it to the door and we are having problems trying to source the right bolts. I have been reading that the carrier on the door can cause issues such as door wear, rattles etc. Do people forego the spare and use tyre weld? What are the other options? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacr2man Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 no you need a spare . You can use a disco spare wheel carrier on back door like the later models do. The doors in good condition and with spreader plates fitted and adjusted correctly re hinges and strikers handle it OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 if it's a new style rear door with the glass secured with a rubber seal, the spare wheel bracket bolts are these LR part VYG000020, M8 x 50mm long, the nuts are nyloc LR part NY108047, M8 plus 6 plain washers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big.Mike Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 You need a spare. Mount it on the door, or get an after market wheel carrier. Cheers, mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam001 Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 You can always go Bonnet Mounted. (Or both!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublem1 Posted August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 9, 2013 if it's a new style rear door with the glass secured with a rubber seal, the spare wheel bracket bolts are these LR part VYG000020, M8 x 50mm long, the nuts are nyloc LR part NY108047, M8 plus 6 plain washers. I think I will go for keeping a spare then!! Peace of mind too. The glass has a rubber seal yes. It's a 2002 model. Is that the new style door? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Yes, that's right, you don't have to buy the genuine LR bolts/nuts any M8 high tensile not less than 8.8 rated will do the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Probably worth buying a half decent 1/2" breaker bar, 27mm deep socket and two stage bottle jack to go with it. Not much use having a spare you can't change. Will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 i have a jack, sockets, wheel nut key, but no spare currently call me stupid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 i have a jack, sockets, wheel nut key, but no spare currently call me stupid! Tempting.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I bought one of those HD wheel braces quite soon after buying my Defender, because the first time I went to take a wheel off the flimsy standard affair simply bent round like a banana when I tried to undo the wheel nuts. With the HD one I can stand on it and bounce up and down without it bending, which is sometimes necessary when the car's been in for an MOT and Mr Mechanic has used his 1,000,000lb-ft windy gun to do the nuts up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmerfred Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 I wonder what the Law is regarding the spare wheel? I believe that it is a legal requirement and definitely is in other Countries of Europe and apart from that you are also required to carry a spare bulb set, warning triangle and fluorescent jackets, one for each occupant, some require them to be orange, others yellow but I believe that they are changing to orange only. In the UK we are allowed to get away with carrying very little at the moment in this respect and not to do so is rather foolish and tempting fate, especially for those that do long journeys and a fair bit of motorway driving. I also believe that it's a legal requirement when selling a vehicle that the spare wheel must be included, also, though very few people are aware of this, the seller has to supply the user/owner manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclemicky Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Sorry Muddy but I would get a 3/4 braker bar and 27mm socket to match. It takes some force to open mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Sorry Muddy but I would get a 3/4 braker bar and 27mm socket to match. It takes some force to open mine. I think you must be over torquing them to require 3/4" drive IIRC LR wheel nit torque is circa 110lb/ft I can undo 27mm wheel nuts on the tractors at work torqued to 370 lb/ft with my 1/2" bar and a good grunt. Admittedly a silver line breaker bar is made from recylcled Land rover diffs and half shafts and will probably snap with one hand if it will accept a socket, that's if it hasn't melted in the sun. Will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101sean Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Spare can't be a legal requirement, lot of modern cars only carry a can of tyre sealant which is a fat lot of good if the sidewall gets ripped! Not sure what to do with my spare, took the swingaway off when I replaced the rear crossmember and preferred the look of the rear end without a spare so sold the carrier! Spare is just lobbed in the back at the moment but was thinking of sticking it on the bonnet, all my previous LR had it there so it doesn't bother me but a 265 on a Td5 bonnet doesn't work so well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluffy Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 I agree that its silly to go with no spare. However I have been running with no spare for quite a while as I went through 2 back windows then changed to perspex and took wheel mount off the door. If im going off road or on a decent drive I chuck it in the back. Someone said earlier that its dangerous but im afraid I have to disagree. I had a head on with a tree :$ at around 50mph and it stopped me dead the back window shattered (3rd window) and spare wheel flew into the back of the middle seat and hardly made a mark. Even if you rolled it cant be alot worse than a load of tools and a gun rolling round tje cab with you. Spoke from experience. Conclusion in my view: if you have a spare at home and someone willing to come out to your local area where you are. Why bother? I have a few spare sets dotted around and chances are theres going to be a mate at home, local to drop one off with 10 20 miles of them and not moan too much. No legislation to say you require a spare in EU from what I am aware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmerfred Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 The 'spare' supplied with some new cars are only meant to get you to the nearest tyre depot or garage at a speed of no more than 30 mph or so, not to drive at 90 to get you home 60 miles, I know it's not a very practical and is near useless but that's what manufacturers supply as cars are getting smaller in physical size and space seems to be the reason for these nonsense spare wheels. A friend of a friend recently bought a new car, think it was a Vauxhall Astra, he had a puncture, looked under the boot carpet, nothing there, looked under the rear of the car, nothing there, he rang the garage where he bought the car and was told 'there is no spare wheel or tools, they're not supplied with the new cars now, it's an optional extra'. The chap told the garage that in the circumstance he expected them to come out to where he was with another wheel or recover the vehicle, he got his spare wheel. The space for the wheel was in the boot of the car, it was filled out with a moulded to shape lump of expanded polystyrene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublem1 Posted August 11, 2013 Author Share Posted August 11, 2013 What's a HD wheel bracer? My defender has the land rover high lift jack in it. But when using it, it bends the sill plate!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 What's a HD wheel bracer? My defender has the land rover high lift jack in it. But when using it, it bends the sill plate!? like this one, similar to mine http://www.devon4x4.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_new.tpl&category_id=1013634&product_id=637&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=14 the LR pillar jack is meant to be used at the front or rear jacking point holes under front bumper or in the rear crossmember, it's not for lifting the vehicle from the side. the sill panel & channel is strong enough for jacking up on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublem1 Posted August 11, 2013 Author Share Posted August 11, 2013 like this one, similar to mine http://www.devon4x4.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_new.tpl&category_id=1013634&product_id=637&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=14 the LR pillar jack is meant to be used at the front or rear jacking point holes under front bumper or in the rear crossmember, it's not for lifting the vehicle from the side. the sill panel & channel is strong enough for jacking up on I thought there were jacking points on the side (in front of the rear wheels)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 No, the tubes on a 90 forward of the rear wheels are rear lower body supports, definitely not jacking points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landy-Novice Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 as above, there not jacking points. there are only 4 on defender. cicled in red for you. 2 on the rear crossmember and 2 under the front bumper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weasel_110 Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 How about here?.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublem1 Posted August 11, 2013 Author Share Posted August 11, 2013 as above, there not jacking points. there are only 4 on defender.cicled in red for you. 2 on the rear crossmember TD5-REAR-CROSSMEMBER-(2).jpg and 2 under the front bumper. 119-dumb-irons.jpg Ah that makes a lot more sense! Thanks for the photos. So does the jack sit in those holes or below them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublem1 Posted August 11, 2013 Author Share Posted August 11, 2013 Sitting inside the holes I imagine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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