galvanised chassis, dvla and chassis numbers

[muttleyd]

Had a quick scan of the forum and did not find anything.

So if you have a galvanised Richards chassis fitted do you stamp it with the old chassis number? Make one up? Do you need to inform dvla? Glencoynes info page infers you don't need to but I know there is a wide range of opinion

And if you have gone from a 90 2.5 chassis to a 90 v8 one does it still count as the same chassis type?

[western]

if the New chassis is Exactly the same spec as the old chassis [like for like] then the New one retains the original VIN

if the new one is different [engine mounts] then it is not a like for like change, whatever it's better to talk to DVLA/VOSA before doing the swap, get the info from the horses mouth then it will be straight forward.

[missingsid]

Hi,

When convrting a Series to V8 you add engine mounts to the engine to fit the chassis not modify the chassis. If you can do the same then you can make a like for like replacement chassis and modify the engine brackets on the V8 to fit thus keeping the existng VID number. IIRC you also have to prove that the old chassis has been destroyed possibly by keeping the piece of plate with the ID on it?

Hope this made sense.

Marc

[cackshifter]

My 110 was written off, cat c, and rebuilt with new richards chassis. Kept the piece of the old chassis with the numbers. Didnt stamp the new one. VIC check passed no problem. Had to show chassis invoice.

[mcc1979ian]

Iv replaced the chassis on my old 90 with a Richards and wondered the same thing. Only thing was my old chassis was so bad i didnt have the numbered section that i could keep. Gone from td chassis to V8 so im assuming i will need a new VIN.

[western]

I looked into this yesterday, Truro VRO office, & the leaflet INF26

section 2 Vehicles that have been rebuilt using New &/or used parts

says to keep the original Registration number [in case of vehicles with a seperate chassis]

a new chassis of the same specification as the original & at least 2 other major components from the original vehicle & with a receipt from maker

it makes NO mention of retaining the original chassis number,

section 8 vehicle identification number

this may be lost when a vehicle is substantially rebuilt, where the chassis has not been stamped by the maker, DVLA local office will issue a new VIN & authorisation letter.

[western]

been on to the nearest IVA test location nearest me, the allocation of new chassis number [VIN] or retention of the original after a like for like chassis change is purely down to a DVLA decision, VOSA are not involved.

VOSA only get involved with IVA if the vehicle has not been UK registered -- a new build vehicle for example

looks to me like a bit of pot luck if the DVLA person on other end of the phone decides if a new VIN is issued or the existing VIN is retained, not very satisfactory IMHO.

[Aragorn]

I suspect this is exactly why many folk simply dont bother involving the DVLA for a straight forward chassis swap. They're incompetent and are likely to give you weeks of headaches.

[muttleyd]

Blimey it does sound complicated/vague. Thanks for the efforts western. The previous owner fitted a half chassis, a v8 and auto and a td5 bulkhead. I have now added a soft top, so the v5 still says 2.5 diesel hardtop and was wondering what to do. Should I change the lot in one go. Have previous receipts for most of it except the engine.

Sounds like dvla need a special land rover clause to cope with the changes we all make

[Hybrid_From_Hell]

I can help a bit here

1. The BODY of a LR doesn't count, this is because it has a CHASSIS and its the chassis that is the "Identity"

Therefore Body mods are irrelevent, other than being MOT and VOSA Legal, you can thus change the body hardtop truckcab etc and its

not importnat.however check what your logbook says some like mine say 4x4 ultiity - so, thats hardtop softtop truckcab all covered !

2. REPAIRING the chassis is OK, so, you can in effect chop out and pretty much replace all the chassis with new bits, BUT they must be

repairs, and the same, ie wheelbase same, dimensions same and not things like RR coil turrets "Repaired" into the chassis and then coils and RR axles are on it and not leafs etc etc

The above IS a minefield, there is no definaitive answer, BUT Cutting off overhangs front or rear or changing the whjeelbase or differing mountings etc are all triggers for IVA time

3. Youi should ALWAYS ensure the colour , engine cc size and engine number are correct. the ANPR system will pop up exactly whats on your log book, so ensure things are right

daft not to. However I would urge caution, don't try and change 15 things all at once, do the most importnat, prob the V8, see the V8 Porn thread as to how I got the engine

changed to a 5.2 Rover V8 with a number MADE UP by John eales (JED) when he built it, which I bought 4th hand and it had never ever been registered on the road - got it done without hassle by doing EXACTLY what they wnated me to prove....

You should also check that the chassis numbers there and the log book do tie up, if they don't you are deeply in to pooplyplopplops

4. It would be lovely for DVLA to have us at heart - sadly they dont, don't really understand us and hear the words "Dodgy" at the slightest moment, bear this in mind, do EXACTLY what they ask, perfectly, and it will go through,

Hope this helps

Nige

[muttleyd]

Thanks Nige.

Guess update the engine details first them.

The replacement chassis certainly doesn't have a chassis number on the dumb iron as normal. I assume the original was scrapped. So perhaps its easier to add the old chassis number as its a replacement

[mike4444244]

Richards stamped mine with my original vin at my request, the dvla man said great I don't have to stamp it for you and risk ruining your galv!

mike

[Bowie69]

Don't defender/series have VIN plates?

[western]

Yes they do, if DVLA local VRO ofiice issues a new VIN the chassis has to be stamped & a new VIN plate has to been sorted with the new number on it,

[missingsid]

My vehicle lost its original chassis number back in 1980 when the owner asked DoT or similar to inspect it. All they could find was a five digit number from somewhere, probably a casting number!

I have since found the real chassis number in completely the opposite corner (perhaps built backwards in factory?) but have been advised not to try to change it back.

[number7]

ive got a little problem my fantastic td5 90 is on a q plate and dated 2001 before the dreaded euro 4 and im wanting to take my landy to NewZealand where i live for 7 months of the year

but due to the euro carp they say i can't take but if my landy was 2006/7 td5 it would be ok

if i buy a new chasis could i get it re registered and a new v5 any ideas please

[Hybrid_From_Hell]

^^

No

your td5 had its identity albeit ad a Q plate

as such you cant re identity it

anything you do to try eill be probably illegal at best.

[Links-vehicles]

My 110 was written off, cat c, and rebuilt with new richards chassis. Kept the piece of the old chassis with the numbers. Didnt stamp the new one. VIC check passed no problem. Had to show chassis invoice.

Dear Sir / Madam,

Any idea if DVLA allows you to register a European Imported defender on a Galvanised Chassis?

Kind Regards, Taz. Tel: XXXXXXXXXX

Edited November 9, 2015 by Happyoldgit
Telephone number removed

[Links-vehicles]

What do I need to do now.

[Nigelw]

Buy one in the uk?

Unless you can do the proof and reciepts game then don't bother, if they cannot satisfy themselves that the vehicle presented is the vehicle represented by the foreign docs then you just get to do a lot of leg work going back and forth for nothing.

DVLA can be helpful but by god they can be idiots too.........

Why risk spending money only to never hold a registration in the UK for it?