geoffbeaumont Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 If you want quick scoring then do away with punch cards and punches, you want RFID Just wait 'til the government makes us all put location beacons in our trucks, then pay them for the tracking data on all the competitors... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 BTW For the Mike Wolfe challenge Anyone either class can have sat nav GPS systems, std or modified But there will be no ref points avaiable , just drivers and bitches eyes and cunning Seriously NAJW has a very valid point re setting out and being swapmed in rules that cuase probs. NO rules can ever make all things in life or off roading "Fair", simplicity at least means the rules are clear and understood Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D9OSV Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Or you could go the international route for classes in challenge........ Vehicles under 3.5litre Vehicles over 3.5litre No vehicle heavier than 3 tonne No tyres bigger than 36inch Measured, not the size indicated on the tyre Thought that would get you all frowning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MogLite Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Most of the debate has been about vehicle classes, but what about the team ? Surely I should be able to get some bonus points for a bitch that cannot find his way out of a paper bag When he does find his way out, he inevitable breaks a knee and has to be carried off by first-aiders Oh and as for the vehicle side of things - come up with whatever system you want, but then make the final adjustment "Divide by build-cost" to keep the stuff grass roots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonk Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Oh and as for the vehicle side of things - come up with whatever system you want, but then make the final adjustment "Divide by build-cost" to keep the stuff grass roots. i can see that would keep the cheque bookers down a bit, hard rule to enforce cos everyone would be coming up with pub receipts for ARB's they'd bought for a fiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MogLite Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 i can see that would keep the cheque bookers down a bit, hard rule to enforce cos everyone would be coming up with pub receipts for ARB's they'd bought for a fiver Yeah I know it was a semi-serious comment. I got two ARB's for a shilling the other day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 With Mrs GBmuds spreadsheet you can easily score the event JSTs 3 classes looks ideal that way the new entrants and not so keen can enter against like for like class 3 anything goes(subject to the land being used) We manged last Saturday event with only a minor wing dent(already dented elsewhere) there was no need to damage anything the sites were laid out very well rushing to a punch could have caused damage easily. we passed on a couple that look definite panel bashers. I'm glad the standards have been given their own class as the 85% rule was not to my liking personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 najw - EMIT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbeaumont Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 i can see that would keep the cheque bookers down a bit, hard rule to enforce cos everyone would be coming up with pub receipts for ARB's they'd bought for a fiver Excellent - I got my disco for free, that's got to be a good place to start from Infinite points, anyone...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 someone paid me to take my vehicle away. how many points is that worth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonk Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 hmm a nice even playin field again then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Which catageory would this fit into? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...A%3AIT&rd=1 John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark90 Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Looks like one winch so if no lockers it'd be standard class in most events Question for those who run events, in particular Neil with regard to the AWDC regs: One winch and no lockers = standard class. Does a setup such as the Ibex vector winch system that allows a single winch to pull from front or rear count as just one winch? Also do/would you allow fiddle brakes in the standard class? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted October 11, 2006 Author Share Posted October 11, 2006 Standard class - 1 winch and 1 locker. but only 2wd!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
najw Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Looks like one winch so if no lockers it'd be standard class in most events Question for those who run events, in particular Neil with regard to the AWDC regs: One winch and no lockers = standard class. Does a setup such as the Ibex vector winch system that allows a single winch to pull from front or rear count as just one winch? Also do/would you allow fiddle brakes in the standard class? If the Ibex system only allows front or rear pull at any one time I would class it as one winch, in the same way as a demountable that can be used front or rear. Nothing in the regs about fiddle brakes - perhaps there should be for next year JST - No not EMIT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark90 Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Nothing in the regs about fiddle brakes - perhaps there should be for next year Maybe i should scrap that plan then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
najw Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Maybe i should scrap that plan then I never gave it any thought - what do others think - despite what some may think this isn't 'my show' B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark90 Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 I'm not sure if I think fiddle brakes should be allowed in standard class or not, probably not. However if there's nothing in the rules banning them in standard class people (me ) might as well take advantage of that to get the best possible vehicle they can within the class rules, just like fitting the best winch or tyres that they can. I think a situation to avoid getting into though is a complicated class / rule set like the anal ARC regs, that would not be good for the sport IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Turner Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Nothing in the regs about fiddle brakes - perhaps there should be for next year Some are running fiddle's now good luck to them i'll have mine fitted ready for next year plus i'll be fitting anythink else that may help me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Neil - but along those lines? (EMT that was) i understand where you are coming from, keeping people waiting for reuslts at the end is something i think all org try to minimise. and that spredsheet does take some doing, i would have differnet opinions if i was doing the size of events you do. How about codriver and driver must be under combined weight of 25stone....... (or over) bonus or handicap as applicable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
najw Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 I'm not sure if I think fiddle brakes should be allowed in standard class or not, probably not. However if there's nothing in the rules banning them in standard class people (me ) might as well take advantage of that to get the best possible vehicle they can within the class rules, just like fitting the best winch or tyres that they can.I think a situation to avoid getting into though is a complicated class / rule set like the anal ARC regs, that would not be good for the sport IMHO. As I said before I don't have any issues with our class structure and I'm not aware that any drivers do (with the exception of gripes with Chris Abel's Rhino). Our regs are probably the most complicated already by virtue of the MSA cover we enjoy. A few people have issues with the cut-outs and fire extinguishers at first but soon sort it when advised. As far as fiddles, I guess some would call it a Modification to the Standard vehicle and therefore should only be allowed in said class. That said its a fairly cheap and easy thing to do and if all can do it then its a level playing field. Am I correct in thinking that fiddles will not affect the MOT in a taxed vehicle or is that a question I don't want to ask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
najw Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Neil - but along those lines? (EMT that was)i understand where you are coming from, keeping people waiting for reuslts at the end is something i think all org try to minimise. and that spredsheet does take some doing, i would have differnet opinions if i was doing the size of events you do. How about codriver and driver must be under combined weight of 25stone....... (or over) bonus or handicap as applicable. Yes along those lines but with added benefits from an organisers point of view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 yep i know where you are coming from, i looked at this option a while back and chatted through it with White90 although hes prob forgotten now! and funds aside its the way to go, much easier at the end of the day. On fiddle brakes are they an aid to traction? or an aid to maintaining the desired direction of travel? i'm thinking side slopes where they are the latter by achieving the former. i'd run them std i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 How about codriver and driver must be under combined weight of 25stone....... (or over) bonus or handicap as applicable. What how is that fair? All cars should have a team weighing the same amount - otherwise i won't be able to have a Co-driver (no seriously mine would have to weight under one and half stone!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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