Taffia Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Hi, Got an MOT coming up and today I did a check over my 1995 FFR 110 - all good - then I thought I would check the lights. I bought it from the guy who got it straight from MOD he had a reversing light put on the rear n/s and a fog light on the O/S. I cannot see any switch for the Foglight anywhere in the cab. Its ex MOD so nothing on the steering column as I believe there is on the civi versions. I am perplexed! Why install it and not have it working - had a new MOT on it when I got it from him as he did all the work and then decided it was a bit too 'rough' as a daily Never had to use it over the last year - anyone have any ideas - would be appreciated - not great with electrics - mech OK. Also I noticed the two big red lights either side of the tail don't do anything - the high ones are tail lights and break lights - strange as I thought they would be used! Thanks in advance. Taffia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 if fitted the rear fog must work, regardless of age & if there was a rear fog light or not when new. maybe the PO fitted it after the last MOT & never got around to wiring it in. is this a XD/Wolf 110 or a earlier model ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffia Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 if fitted the rear fog must work, regardless of age & if there was a rear fog light or not when new. maybe the PO fitted it after the last MOT & never got around to wiring it in. is this a XD/Wolf 110 or a earlier model ? Hi Western, Its an early 110 1995 I can't see how it got through the last mot - the fog light is there but no switch - osmosis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete3000 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 should be on the RHS column yellow/red on on side of two pin connector. If you are missing the switch as well, do what i did and fit new one from a range rover classic, They are almost identical for wiring/plug except slight bend/angle on shaft and flat end on switch instead of square end. Difference is price... almost double for defender version...although correct one on the bay is £20ish. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-90-110-130-REAR-FOG-LIGHT-SWITCH-PRC3432-/370574881325?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3ADefender&hash=item5647fbf22d HTH Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 on later vehicles the switch was on the 3 switch panel between drivers door & steering column, not on the column shroud. save & increase this photo's size, it's ex-military no switch on column shroud it's on the panel as mentioned above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffia Posted November 4, 2013 Author Share Posted November 4, 2013 should be on the RHS column yellow/red on on side of two pin connector. If you are missing the switch as well, do what i did and fit new one from a range rover classic, They are almost identical for wiring/plug except slight bend/angle on shaft and flat end on switch instead of square end. Difference is price... almost double for defender version...although correct one on the bay is £20ish. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-90-110-130-REAR-FOG-LIGHT-SWITCH-PRC3432-/370574881325?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3ADefender&hash=item5647fbf22d HTH Pete Thanks Pete was about to search start the search! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffia Posted November 4, 2013 Author Share Posted November 4, 2013 on later vehicles the switch was on the 3 switch panel between drivers door & steering column, not on the column shroud. save & increase this photo's size, it's ex-military no switch on column shroud it's on the panel as mentioned above. Hi Western, Thats exactly what I have - hole in the column as per Pete's message above - but I also have the 3 switch panel to the right as per your picture - hazards on the middle and a hole to the left of that - looks like the switch is missing. Is it just a standard switch? - assuming the wiring is in there - I can see a couple of connectors floating around in there - lots of coloured wires Looking at the lights again on rear it seem the PO has installed the big square reversing light on the ns and then a square fog light on the other - but the two larger (than brake and tail lights) circular red lights are therefore redundant - assuming these were the original fog lights! Never a dull moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 this is the rocker switch http://www.lrseries.com/shop/product/listing/13573/YUF101640-ROCKER-SWITCH-REAR-FOG.html?search=switch%20rear%20fog%20&page=2 & this is the older sort stalk variant http://www.lrseries.com/shop/product/listing/9798/PRC3432-SWITCH-REAR-FOG-LAMP.html?search=switch%20rear%20fog%20&page=1 either would work. wire from switch to rear fog light is red/yellow trace, there should be a ignition controlled live feed via main light switch to power the rear fogs & the lights are earthed at the rear end. the rear fog should only switch on when side/tail & dip beam headlights are on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffia Posted November 4, 2013 Author Share Posted November 4, 2013 this is the rocker switch http://www.lrseries.com/shop/product/listing/13573/YUF101640-ROCKER-SWITCH-REAR-FOG.html?search=switch%20rear%20fog%20&page=2 & this is the older sort stalk variant http://www.lrseries.com/shop/product/listing/9798/PRC3432-SWITCH-REAR-FOG-LAMP.html?search=switch%20rear%20fog%20&page=1 either would work. wire from switch to rear fog light is red/yellow trace, there should be a ignition controlled live feed via main light switch to power the rear fogs & the lights are earthed at the rear end. the rear fog should only switch on when side/tail & dip beam headlights are on. Hi, And thanks - on other sites there are two switch models - I noticed but this one seems to supersede all the others. Have ordered switch and lets hope its 'plug and play'......who am I kidding Will let you know. Thanks Taffia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffia Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share Posted November 7, 2013 Hi Got switch today found the connector in the gap red/yellow trace. Two wires going into the back of the socket both red/yellow on two pins but one wire has broken off. Is it just a case of reattaching the broken wire to second pin. Looks like its the case. Connector fits switch perfectly. Just wondering if there is a wiring diagram with colours anywhere? First electrical job but I am hoping to do it myself as that was my commitment when purchasing my first defender. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 reattach broken wire & if everything else in the circuit is OK the rear fog light should work. this one should help http://www.vq5x79.f2s.com/greenradio/Landy/90_&_110_FFR_wiring.jpg rear fog lights are item 21/22 lower left of diagram. wire from switch to lights is RY = red/yellow trace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffia Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 reattach broken wire & if everything else in the circuit is OK the rear fog light should work. this one should help http://www.vq5x79.f2s.com/greenradio/Landy/90_&_110_FFR_wiring.jpg rear fog lights are item 21/22 lower left of diagram. wire from switch to lights is RY = red/yellow trace. Thanks again Western - I shall be venturing out to vehicle first thing - diagram in one hand, coffee in the other, ipad in back pocket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffia Posted November 22, 2013 Author Share Posted November 22, 2013 To finish the story....................... Found the coloured wires but they had been cut deep in the loom. So as its military out came the central light switch and I jumped a live off the switch when driving lights came on - there was already a relay there wired to the new rear fog - bizarre - so perfect - ran two wires to new switch area - order switch as above - and magic - fog light working off a switch when driving and main beams on only! One of the best tools I found for this work or tracing any wire - is http://www.maplin.co.uk/cable-tracker-with-tone-generator-46536 There are cheaper ones around but boy does it save your time Thanks to everyone for input and if anyone needs more information let me know! Taffia - snows coming! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 good to read of a good result, thanks for updating the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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