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The TDCI is only a 4-cylinder. So it's bound to be rougher and noisisr in general use than the 5-pot TD5.

The most recent versions are only 2.2-litre rather than the 2.4 earlier versions.

I gather that - unlike the TD5 - all the "Puma" TDCI lumps come without a dual-mass flywheel. Meaning yet more driver-experience roughness and greater life-shortening shock-loadings on the transmission.

I like lots of cylinders. A true gentleman's car has more cylinders than wheels and more wheels than seats.

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tdci is newer, so less rusty....potentially. better dash, ventilation,abs system, fuel economy and when tuned properly make a decent drive.

td5 prices are high, this happened when the old 300 went out and the td5 came in. i'd say nows the time to buy, no snow. lots about...and there still in production so p/x's still coming through.

i've owned both. tdci is better IMHO

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My advice would be TD5 every time. It was the last LR designed engine and I prefer the gear ratios, but look for FSH. The TDCi has a Ford Transit lump.

My local specialist say that if serviced properly they see TD5s with 200-250K on the clock before the engine needs a refurb.

Ask yourself why they hold their values? The earlier TDi engines hold a special place in LR land but if you or your garage has diagnostics the TD5 is a very potent and relatively easy engine to run.

My brother in law had a TDCi on lease. At 2 years old the rear X member/front bumper were rusty, + electrical issues, plus the gearbox disintegrated.

I have heard that the utility companies are complaining bitterly about the number of gearboxes which fail.

I think some of the forum members work in this field and could enlighten us.

Either way you still join the Defender family.

Good luck

Barry

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We run tdcis as estate motors and they're always going back to the garage for gear box work, the seem to last about 2 years here before going stupidly clunky and trouble with the transfer box popping into neutral.

However we still have a 03 and an 06 plate td5 that are still going strong

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My wife is selling her Tdci as we're emigrating. It has an amazing heater, while the TD5 is the coldest defender of them all. The suspension, chassis, axles and majority of the body are the same on both, but the rear seats on the Tdci are forward facing, meaning you only get two but they are comfortable and safe. We have had no trouble at all with the engine or gear box, and TD5s are not blemishless in their reputation (plastic head dowels shearing, oil pump failures, manifold warping, heads failing... Tdcis are certainly no worse and probably better). The noise levels inside the Tdci are very low due to effective soundproofing. My only complaints about the Tdci are the appearance of the bonnet and lack of bulkhead vent flaps (not needed in the Tdci, but they should have fitted dummy flaps), and I find the newer front seats less comfortable than the old Defender seats as they now have less lumbar support, but that could be rectified by adding a small foam pad under the seat covering..

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There's very little between them, the TDci dash is much better IMHO Including superior illumination but I find the heater too blowy on speed no.1 and miss the vent flaps in summer. I've driven plenty of each, the TDcis often feel a little clunkier in the gears, this is probably due to their drivers but the higher gearing is nicer on the motorway.

Both go equally as well In my experience, you will always get slow ones and fast ones.

Set your budget look at as many as you can and drive even more! 2 years newer does not automatically mean a better chassis ect it's all down to the vehicles previous life.

Buy on condition not specification in my experience. ( obviously don't buy something you don't want but having every last toy is useless if the vehicle is dropping in bits )

Will.

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Another note, depending on how new you go is an issue with a circa 2012/2013 era Defender had clutch issues where they only seemed to run 20,000 miles.

A friend has just had his at 20k and apparently there was a batch of clutches around that era that have had issues, all around 20k!

On a side note, I'm also trying to make this choice, though I have the TD5 atm ... Can't decide if the 6th gear and the miles better rear seats are worth the extra 80-100% outlay!

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Am I the only person who belts their knee on the dash on the TDCI Puma defenders every time I get in one of the horrible things ? Claustrophobic cabin and horrible engine which cant wait to go bang along with the gearbox.

I respect Defenders for what they can do,but I also can see their faults,the TD5 had plenty,but was a better overall truck.The late 300TDI's were the best combination of all I think.

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It depends on what you are looking for, although they look the same they are different beasts.

Td5s will take much more of a battering at high revs (off road) but TDCIs are way better on long journeys and sit comfortably at 70mph in 6th on the motorway.

I own 2 pumas and 5 Td5s. Personally I prefer the Td5 but that's because I have to fix them when they break down - it's easier to tell what bit's broken on the Td5 because it's a far more straightforward engine. Also the nearest motorway to me is 100 miles away.

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Am I the only person who belts their knee on the dash on the TDCI Puma defenders every time I get in one of the horrible things ? Claustrophobic cabin and horrible engine which cant wait to go bang along with the gearbox.

I respect Defenders for what they can do,but I also can see their faults,the TD5 had plenty,but was a better overall truck.The late 300TDI's were the best combination of all I think.

You aren't the only one. I like the defender seating position and the pumas are a nice place to be... apart from the dash going so low. I have loads of room in my old 90!

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We run a fleet of 4 2013 2.2s in West Africa and have had nothing but problems with them. Ok most of it is down to the fuel quality etc but 1 vehicle has killed a clutch and 3 master cylinders in 25,000km and 2 more are developing the same symptoms at less than 24,000km. They seem to lurch badly in 1st and 2nd gear from new and the general build quality is disappointing but that is a Landy for you ;)

On the plus side it's quite a nippy motor and the front seats/air-con are a much better design. It's 35 degrees and 90% + humidity so I can't comment on the heater! Being a SW you can wedge the front seats back but a truck-cab is quite claustrophobic and the dash tray is a pain.The 3rd row seats take up a lot of space in the boot and your eye is level with the roof gutter so you can't see much but they are a lot more comfortable and safer also.

Based on the above experiences I would go for a TD5, purely because it's still an engine that can be repaired easily by a competent DIYer and seems to have stood the test of time bar the original 10P problems.

On the other hand, if you have the back-up of UK quality garages and are using the vehicles in less-hostile conditions then the Puma would be good and you can get a much newer vehicle for similar money as a mint TD5.

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Hi,

I have both at the moment, (one has to go soon though).. They are very different tools, I suggest you have a think along the lines of what you will be using it for then work back from there..

Also throw in the option of a refurbished Tdi300 as a true work horse.

God luck,

db.

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