pete3000 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 http://www.ebay.com/itm/121583209793?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26ghostText%3D%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D121583209793%26_rdc%3D1 your link didn't work, edit: is there a way to search an auction site for new sellers with 0 or low feedback score, selling high value cars etc? not that i'm stupid enough to buy anything from such sellers, but it would throw up some interesting listings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Well spotted Maverik! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Fraudulent; http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=121583209793&globalID=EBAY-GB&alt=web Real ad; http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/land-rover/defender-90/used-land-rover-defender-90-2-5td5-county-td5-3dr-4wd-swanley-fpa-201501310585821 Disgusting. What am i missing? Same vehicle, different prices so looks odd (also marked as 5 door on ebay), but why fraudulent? (forgive me if its obvious, but I'm missing it!). Has someone else (i.e. not the owner) copied the autotrader ad in the hope that another will bite on the price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 because one is trying to persuade you to part with your money but doesn't have the vehicle. They make it cheap and come up with a reason why they have to deliver. These adverts are everywhere 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Richard, have a look here for more examples of one's discovered http://busterjack.blogspot.co.uk/?m=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Or they ask for a deposit which you never see again then disappear. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertspark Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 Richard, have a look here for more examples of one's discovered http://busterjack.blogspot.co.uk/?m=1 damn that is scary, but I guess simple to do and set up, hence I'm sure there are a load of unhappy deposit payers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Richard, have a look here for more examples of one's discovered http://busterjack.blogspot.co.uk/?m=1 Wow. I'm quite naive. I wouldn't buy without seeing a car so perhaps this is why i am pretty unaware of this. I;d rather take a chance a vehicle will be sold on my way to view it than put a deposit down to ask them to hold it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 That's why they make them really cheap Richard, people see a bargain and forget themselves, get caught up in the moment and all common sense goes out the window and they send their money. They make up some great stories to, like they are in the forces and are selling the car because they have been stationed overseas, the car is on a secure army base so you can't go and see it but it will be delivered to you and it's cheap because of this ...... honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 just seen this on ebay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/land-rover-defender-Td5-110-Galvanized-Chassis-Project-Not-90-Or-Tdi-4x4-/261797256195?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3cf4551c03 reads like a possibly used td5 chassis [but not 100% sure] bead blasted & galvanised & NO identity from advert text ---- Genuine Land Rover 110 chassis galvanised! Please not this is for project only!! No I'd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballcock Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 just seen this on ebay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/land-rover-defender-Td5-110-Galvanized-Chassis-Project-Not-90-Or-Tdi-4x4-/261797256195?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3cf4551c03 reads like a possibly used td5 chassis [but not 100% sure] bead blasted & galvanised & NO identity The difference is no one is likely to buy that for an id to ring another. I would even be tempted myself to rebuild my CSW. onto. He could have bought a new chassis and had it galved and started to rebuild his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 agree with that, advert is just not very clear if it's a brand new chassis. but would be sorted with a question to the seller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballcock Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Even if it is used, he is selling a legitimate item that will be of use to some one. Without the intention of trying to sell an id that will possibly lead to the theft of another vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertspark Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 Legitimate sale of a rolling chassis with axles not enough to make 8 points but it's not advertised that way either whether it's a new or second hand one will make a diff to the buyer as to whether it will be a q retain a plate or is built as a new plate Good luck to the honest seller (even if a bit vague) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertspark Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-Series-IIa-88-Tax-exempt-Historic-Vehicle-Chassis-and-V5-/151606720344?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item234c76f758 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/landrover-200tdi-discovery-chassis-shortened-project-axles-with-id-log-book-/321679792763?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ae59c1a7b think the second one is probably someone not knowing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Is there a problem with those? They're both with an actual chassis and a realistic description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballcock Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-Series-IIa-88-Tax-exempt-Historic-Vehicle-Chassis-and-V5-/151606720344?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item234c76f758 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/landrover-200tdi-discovery-chassis-shortened-project-axles-with-id-log-book-/321679792763?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ae59c1a7b think the second one is probably someone not knowing? Although not entirely legal to rebuild those, as reb 78 says they are selling a solid chassis not just an id with a bucket of rust. Although some body could be tempted to ring them that isn't what the adverts are eluding to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 The first one is fine as it's a chassis with an ID, and better still the advert doesn't say anything along the lines of bucket of rust, post V5 in advance collect when you want, collect what you want I can dispose of the rest....seen that all too many times and I know exactly what the sellers thoughts are.... The second, I'm not qualified to say. It's a heavily modified chassis as far as I'm concerned and then puts the the 5 points in danger. I would say a 100" on a shortened disco is IVA territory, but I'm no expert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 The first one is fine as it's a chassis with an ID, and better still the advert doesn't say anything along the lines of bucket of rust, post V5 in advance collect when you want, collect what you want I can dispose of the rest....seen that all too many times and I know exactly what the sellers thoughts are.... The second, I'm not qualified to say. It's a heavily modified chassis as far as I'm concerned and then puts the the 5 points in danger. I would say a 100" on a shortened disco is IVA territory, but I'm no expert. I agree Ed. With the second my opinion is that its a.) honest - i.e. he has described the mods to the chassis and b.) its a disco and so perhaps (?) less likely to be used to ring anything I think this thread needs to be careful not to focus on everyone selling something with ID. Where does it stop? Rolling chassis ok? Lets face it, you could sell an old knackered defender for very little money complete (less likely as this year goes on) and still use the ID from it and scrap the rest. I'd suggest the thread probably needs to concentrate on those blatantly selling ID/V5 with nothing else from the original vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I'd suggest the thread probably needs to concentrate on those blatantly selling ID/V5 with nothing else from the original vehicle. I agree, and I'd include those with buckets of rust too, which are distinctly dubious as the sellers intentions - trying to bypass the system as it were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertspark Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 Noted ok apologise for my cockup in listing Suggested prune time as we are at 4 pages and keeping a history of these is probably not a good thing for reflection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballcock Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Things are getting a little out of hand. there are sellers of legitimate rolling chassis out there.Although I travelled over 100 miles to collect one from Leicester the other year, which the seller had on Ebay, only to find when I got there that the chassis vin didn't match the V5c. He had casually told me whilst we were walking to where the chassis was stored at his mates house that his mate had recently rebuilt his csw. It wasn't until I was driving home a lot lighter on fuel and a day lost that I realised his mate had probably used the chassis that the V5 related to and they were selling off his old chassis with the wrong V5. So his mate probably has built his own ringer and may not realise the consequences. If so I think it serves them right if they get caught. I could have cut my losses taken the chassis and sold off the parts then the id and come out of it a bit richer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Whilst selling a complete chassis with a v5 may not have enough points to retain the registration you will need the v5 and receipts for all the other bits to reregister it correctly so in fact if they are selling a chassis and matching v5 there's no major problem. Though as ballcock has hinted when you do reregister you may land someone else in a whole heap of trouble. Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 This is the kind of thing that sets my alarm bells ringing... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLASSIC-RANGE-ROVER-2-DOOR-TAX-EXEMPT-ROLLING-CHASSIS-V5-/121586761668?ssPageName=ADME:SS:SS:GB:3160 Title says rolling chassis with V5. Ok, fine nothing wrong with that. Read on..... Collection only, but I can post bits.......ok...so just what are you proposing to post.....??? That strikes me as an offer to post the brass V5 chassis plate and the V5.... Then at the very end, a badly spelt addition about ebay wanting him to change to a business account......ebay doesn't do that, well not unless you give them reason too anyway. This guy strikes me as being well aware of the rules of selling V5's, and also very aware of the tax exempt status of the reg, and also extremely cute at trying to bypass the rules! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 the V5 photo's within that RR chassis above, shows it as a M suffix reg, on the V5 page it clearly states 3800cc & Heavy oil [aka diesel] carefully placed bits of paper to hid the full reg number & beginning of the full chassis 17 digit number, dodgy or what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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