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What 'period' winch would you fit and why?


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Morning all, still in the land of vapour build at the moment (despite seeing lots of perfect base vehicles passing me by!), I'm planning to have a front mounted winch, but want it be be an age-related one to keep the truck looking as 'original' as possible.

So from what I can see there are 3 possible options, if anyone has experience of any of these could you post up your experiences and the pros and cons of each?

1. PTO driven capstan winch

2. PTO driven drum winch (fairey, mayflower, etc.)

3. Hydraulic drum winch, with PTO hydraulic pump

If there are others out there I've missed please add them to the list!

Cheers

James

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Unless you find a "bottom PTO", fitting a "rear one" will give you problems when an Overdrives is in the plans.

Capstans are nice looking but really a 2 man thing when used for self recovery

I like the hydraulic ones - esp. as you can make the "remote control"

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The hydraulic type would preclude the use of overdrive, so I wouldn't use that. For aesthetics, I'd go for the capstan - they just look old fashioned. For practical use, I'd have the crank shaft driven drum winch.

I plan to use it for recovery purposes (hopefully I won't need to too often!) so I'm definitely after practicality over aesthetics!

Also I plan to fit the ashcroft high range gear set so not having an overdrive is not a problem :)

James

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I've pondered on this over the years. To me, the modern electric winches just don't look right on an Series. If I could find a period capstan or drum winch at a sensible price, I might be tempted. That said, I've had the S! for twenty years and have never been in a situation that my Tirfor couldn't get me out of.

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The one you can find...

This page shows you the options. If it is for occasional use, how much weight you're lugging around makes a real difference; the old fairey winches are ridiculously heavy, so keep that in mind.

Here is a page that shows you a few options:

http://www.pangolin4x4.com/reference/reference-library/winches/

Daan

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I've been keeping an eye out for a Capstan for mine. Unlikely to ever actually get any use if I'm honest, I would like it for the period look more than anything else. I've been looking for one in need of rebuild but they keep coming up outside of what I'm prepared to pay, or reconditioned by Rob Maude and a price waay above my limit.

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Hydro can be driven from a crank-driven pump (saving the PTO hold for an overdrive) although depending on your engine / belt arrangement it could be sloooow, V-belts can't transmit much power. They are more convenient to use than PTO-shaft drive but obviously more complicated to install. Capstan is a bit specialist, and there's more risk of losing fingers in use.

Al of them will pull all day compared to an electric.

If you can crank-drive a decent hydro pump then a hydro one would get my vote all day long.

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What you need is a Land Rover first James :P:lol:

Shhhh Ross! You know there's not really space for the winch let alone a truck!

Hydro can be driven from a crank-driven pump (saving the PTO hold for an overdrive) although depending on your engine / belt arrangement it could be sloooow, V-belts can't transmit much power. They are more convenient to use than PTO-shaft drive but obviously more complicated to install. Capstan is a bit specialist, and there's more risk of losing fingers in use.

Al of them will pull all day compared to an electric.

If you can crank-drive a decent hydro pump then a hydro one would get my vote all day long.

Thats interesting didn't know that! I shall have to do more investigating on a crank driven pump, does that mean the pump runs all the time or does it have be engaged to use the pump? I assume that a crank driven pump allows you to winch and drive at the same time in theory?

You might want to take a look at this.

http://www.lr-winches.com/

He is a dutch guy living in Germany who specializes in pto whinches

Eric

Cheers Eric, seen some of his bits on ebay, definitely not the cheapest but most of his stuff seems to be the better quality example!

James

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You might want to take a look at this.

http://www.lr-winches.com/

He is a dutch guy living in Germany who specializes in pto whinches

Eric

I would think you better spending your money with Rob at LR Optional Equipment.

This Dutch guy produces some shiny looking stuff, but it's often an amalgamation of several different models. Detail differences, but things like the wrong shear pins being fitted don't inspire confidence.

One thing I can say for Rob is that his knowledge and quality of work is second to none, which his stocks of spares and core units is larger than any other outside of the original manufacturers when they were mainstream fitments.

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We've done a few variations on crank-driven, 1st one was chain drive with a standard industrial dog clutch operated by a lever in the cab, 2nd version was using a tiny "propshaft" off the crank pulley to a pump bolted under the front x-member, I think (although my memory's sketchy) that too had a dog clutch. You can't get the power through belts you can through those two, and crank drive does indeed mean you can drive-assist.

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Have you tried driving with an HRTC (or with overdrive left engaged in all gears)? It's not a nice drive, overgeared for pulling away in 1st and needs 3rd instead of a lazy 4th at 30mph (with more wear on the box and its oil and less fuel efficiency). It's a much better alternative than 3.54 diffs, since it doesn't affect low range or speedo accuracy, but it is not as good as having a decent overdrive. It also puts a lot of stress on the lower gears of the main box, so any higher performance engine will kill the box much quicker than standard ratios. You're better off with overdrive or an LT77.

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We've done a few variations on crank-driven, 1st one was chain drive with a standard industrial dog clutch operated by a lever in the cab, 2nd version was using a tiny "propshaft" off the crank pulley to a pump bolted under the front x-member, I think (although my memory's sketchy) that too had a dog clutch. You can't get the power through belts you can through those two, and crank drive does indeed mean you can drive-assist.

Cheers for that fridge, more food for thought! Did you get a complete dog clutch assembly then added cogs/shafts as required to connect everything up?

James

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why not go period electric - shock horror! Some great winches from back then...

A Desert Dynamics/Pearce/Ramsey worm drive for example....

I wasn't aware there were electric winches available then as everything I've seen has been mechanically driven... *heads back to Google for more research*

James

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I don't think the high ratio kit has the dog spline on the back of the gear to drive the pto, so check that as well. I run the pto of an lt77/230 transfer so no need for an overdrive.

Daan

Thanks for pointing that out Daan, I'll have to speak with ashcroft and see what the options are regarding ptos, if it's not possible then overdrive with either crank driven hydraulic or electric will be my winch options!

James

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Worth noting that all types of "classic" winch can be driven any way as they all have a standard shaft input, the hydro/shaft versions of the Fairey drum winches are the same body, just with either a shaft or a hydro motor bolted to the back. You could adapt an electric motor to drive them too, but I suspect the gearing would be wrong - could be bodged up easy enough with a chain drive or reduction box or something.

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Worth noting that all types of "classic" winch can be driven any way as they all have a standard shaft input, the hydro/shaft versions of the Fairey drum winches are the same body, just with either a shaft or a hydro motor bolted to the back. You could adapt an electric motor to drive them too, but I suspect the gearing would be wrong - could be bodged up easy enough with a chain drive or reduction box or something.

Thats handy to know, might open up some more options as there don't seem to be too many drum winches around at the minute!

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