Ex Member Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 I've aquired a 200TDI to replace the 2.5NA. At the moment, I have a York air compressor running from the groove that is meant for the power steering pump. But, I'm adding power steering as well....and I can not live without the air compressor. How does the factory air con pump get its power? Is there a 3 groove crankshaft pulley available for the engine? Is this the one shown in the parts book as for "air con and power steering". any help with the proper part number would be great as it can be a PITA making sure you get the right bit from the other side of the world. Anybody got one lying around they wouldn't mind parting with? Thanks in advance John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiWhite Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 THIS is how Les Brock did it, and indeed how the factory AC setup works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 John, The power Steering pumpruns off the same belt as the water pump on a 200. The Alternator then runs off the power steering pulley. My 200 has a twin groove pulley on it as standard, and with no aircon fitted, it leaves the second groove spare. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share Posted November 23, 2006 Thanks Simon, but unless I'm daft, that is a 300TDI and the belt arrangment is diiferent, no?? Les's Lump. The 200TDI has the rear belt driving the alternator and water pump. The front one drives the power steering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share Posted November 23, 2006 ATM , the compressor is mounted on the right side and using the front pulley groove. I assume this is the normal location for the air con?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiWhite Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Looks like your engine is a defender, and Les has a disco lump. Could yours be modified to run a similar setup as Les? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share Posted November 23, 2006 Well, I suppose, but that would require moving the alternator and having a dual pulley on the PS pump. I assume there must be a simpler way by following however the factory installed an air con pump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share Posted November 23, 2006 edit: delete post.... wrong picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR90 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Our friends at Alfred Murray seem to suggest you need ERR3093 to adapt a twin v pulley setup to run the additional dedicated pump. http://www.4x4winches.com/prices.htm And here's a pic (though I'm not sure it helps) http://www.lrdirect.com/customer/product.p...roductid=120142 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share Posted November 23, 2006 OK, if I understand this right, the pulley closest to the engine is part of the harmonic dampener and the front one (or two) is this separate piece. I'll have to have a closer look. That'll be great as it will avoid the need to pull the dampener. Just four bolts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WALFY Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 John How did manager to locate a Defender 200TDI in Canada? Did it come from Suffield? A bit of a rarity over there aqren't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share Posted November 23, 2006 From the UK, via this guy... http://www.k4rovers.com/ I went this route for simplicity of install and to let me keep the military gearbox. Here's hoping it runs fine!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 OK, if I understand this right, the pulley closest to the engine is part of the harmonic dampener and the front one (or two) is this separate piece. I'll have to have a closer look. That'll be great as it will avoid the need to pull the dampener. Just four bolts. the 3 groove pulley is ERC6859 for power steering/air conditioning, My 200TDi has one fitted. this pulley is bolted on to the harmonic damper with 4 bolts, there's no need to disturb the damper part. I can put up a picture, if you want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR90 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Pic would be nice. Seems the ERC6869 has been superceeded by the ERR3093 but looks to me like that only has two grooves? I've got a new damper to go on mine at some time but can't recall if it has a groove or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 (edited) front groove drives power steering centre groove if used would drive air condition pump rear groove drives alternator/water pump & viscous coupling/fan hope they help Edited November 23, 2006 by western Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Looking at your PAS pump mount Ralph, and thinking of out discussion of aged Tdi engines, mine does not have the 1/2" hole for tensioning purposes. I am also reminded that I really must tighten it up and stop it squeeling... Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Looking at your PAS pump mount Ralph, and thinking of out discussion of aged Tdi engines, mine does not have the 1/2" hole for tensioning purposes. I am also reminded that I really must tighten it up and stop it squeeling...Chris EPC & my part cat, also list the plate for 2.5TD engines under 2 part numbers ERR1976 upto July 1992 [& Defender type 200Tdi upto engine number 11L 22454A] ERR2605 from July 1992 [& Defender type 200Tdi from engine number 11L22455A] I suspect you have the early part number, don't know the exact build date of my engine but it was new & fitted end of July1994. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share Posted November 23, 2006 Thanks, that will do exactly what I need. I even think that middle pulley is the same as location as what I have now on the 2.5NA, so my compressor bracket may just go straight on with no mods. Too bad the 200TDI is not already tapped for the mounting bolts. While we are on the subject of this engine, I was going over the bits today and it looks like one of the rubber elbows to the intercooler needs replacement. Is there anything better than genuine to use? The genuine ones look like they went to the lowest bidder . That must be the flimsyest hose material I have ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share Posted November 23, 2006 Anyone able to confirm that ERR3093 is a three groove pulley as those posted links show a 2 groove? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted November 24, 2006 Author Share Posted November 24, 2006 Wow, I was looking at the cost of the genuine intercooler hose elbows. That is some crazy pricing. Any aftermarket silicone elbow kits around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 Any aftermarket silicone elbow kits around? Try here they have US distributors and seem cheap Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diff Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 You may be able to get away without getting the 3 groove crank pulley. I am part way through fabricating an on board air set up with a Sanden on my 2.5 petrol. Rather than mess around with the existing belt arrangement, I have bolted(using the same 4 bolts) an additional waterpump pulley on top of the existing pulley(separated by the thin aluminium fan mount spacer - non viscous type). This uses a short belt to drive the compressor. If you do this, you may then be able to connect it to one or other of the pulleys on your York. You may need to move your mounting bracket slightly, but you might not. My water pump pulley doesn't have a viscous coupling so this might affect how much room you've got, but I suspect quite a few old water pump pulleys could be easily fitted. Regards, Diff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted November 24, 2006 Author Share Posted November 24, 2006 Try here they have US distributors and seem cheapLewis Looks nice. 51 or 54 mm??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 Looks nice. 51 or 54 mm??? 51mm IIRC, works for me anyway Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 Thanks, that will do exactly what I need. I even think that middle pulley is the same as location as what I have now on the 2.5NA, so my compressor bracket may just go straight on with no mods. Too bad the 200TDI is not already tapped for the mounting bolts. the middle groove lines up in the correct place to fit the air cond pump pulley/belt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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