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    Roll Cage Question

    in Competing in Land Rovers

    Posted

    The log book thing is not a msa thing but a awdc only thing ,

    (This is how i under stand it at the moment)

    This is from the 2011 blue book or year book

    Definitions

    1.1.1. Safety Cage. A structural framework designed to

    prevent serious bodyshell deformation in the case of a

    collision or a car turning over.

    1.1.2. Rollbar. Structural frame or hoop and mounting

    points. Rollcage. Structural framework made up of a

    main rollbar and a front rollbar (or two lateral rollbars),

    their connecting members, one diagonal member,

    backstays and mounting points (see drawings K5 and

    K6).

    1.1.3. Main Rollbar. Structure consisting of a nearvertical

    frame or hoop located across the vehicle just

    behind the front seats.

    1.1.4. Front Rollbar. Similar to main rollbar but its

    shape follows the windscreen pillars and top screen

    edge.

    As you see it states ( a nearvertical

    frame or hoop)hope this helps .

    Merry Christmas all nik

    Harness regulations

    in Competing in Land Rovers

    Posted

    I'm certainly not going to argue with such an authority as Vic or his son, but I genuinely didn't think that was the case. I bought some homologated in-date harnesses to compete in France where they are mandatory as well as for international events in the UK, but I believe my old belts remain fine for club events here, right up to National A level.

    My understanding seems to tally with the blue book snippet above. Rally events are different and do require in date harnesses. Note that the snippet posted here is only the general harness reg and needs to be read in conjunction with the technical part of the off road regs.

    hi I'm currently training as a scrutineer under Vic and you are right and was misinformed by Mark on Thursday or i asked the question wrongly most likely.

    57.2.1. All vehicles must comply with K.2.1.2, K.3.1.2

    (not plumbed in), K.5, K.6, K.8.

    this is from cross country events , technical regulations , all vehicles , to find the other regs .

    2.1.2. Four point. Two shoulder straps and one lap

    strap, with four anchorage points on the chassis/body

    shell or roll over bar of the vehicle. One either side of

    the driver and two to the rear of the driver’s seat.

    witch there is no mention of dates .

    Harness regulations

    in Competing in Land Rovers

    Posted

    In my mind for off road speed events you really want 75mm harnesses. Makes sense to get FIA but don't necessarily need to be in-date in the UK. One thing I would avoid is buying second hand, you never really know the history and as it says belts stretch in an accident!

    Spoke to Mr Palmer( A MSA scrutineer) and for speed events FIA harnesses must be in date .nik

    a bit of fuel tank guidance

    in Competing in Land Rovers

    Posted

    hi hope this helps nik

    This is from the MSA blue book

    Fuel Systems

    5.13.1. Have any fuel lines passing through the

    driver/passenger compartment protected and, if nonmetallic,

    to be internally or externally metal braided

    hydraulic pressure hose or fuel lines complying with

    FIA specifications.

    5.13.2. They may only be joined by screwed sealing

    joints or vehicle manufacturers approved joint.

    5.13.3. If fitted with fuel fillers in a closed boot, or under

    closure, have collector/spill trays incorporated to drain

    outside the vehicle.

    5.13.4. Use Pump Fuel (see definition Nomenclature

    and Definitions) except, subject to prior written

    authority having been given by the MSA, where

    permitted otherwise under event SRs, and

    Championship Regulations.

    5.13.5. If using LPG, the entire system must conform

    with Construction and Use regulations and LPG

    Industry Technical Association Code of Practice No. 11.

    5.13.6. If using non-pump fuel have a 3 inch diameter

    ‘Day-Glo’ orange disc affixed immediately adjacent to

    the Competition Numbers on both sides.

    (so is this just a case of making a box for this tank to be fitted inside with all feeds returns exiting through the floor of the vehicle ?

    can this box be a bolt together item so as to allow access to the tank when needed?)

    yes it can as this is now your boot

    Tank Fillers, Vents and Caps

    6. Tank fillers and caps must not protrude beyond the

    bodywork or be situated within the driver/passenger

    compartment. The caps must have an efficient locking

    action to reduce the risk of opening during an accident

    and to ensure closing after refuelling (14.1.2). Air vents

    must be at least 25cm to the rear of the cockpit and

    must be designed to prevent the escape of fuel should

    the vehicle be inverted. It is recommended that a non

    return valve is incorporated in the vent system. The

    entire fuel tank area ‘Licked by the open air stream’

    must incorporate a crushable structure as follows:

    the crushable structure bit is for single seater race cars

    14.1.2. Fuel

    (a) Fuel Tanks and Pipes – every effort should be

    made to isolate fuel tanks and pipes from the

    driver/passenger compartment. The risk of fuel

    spillage from accident damage can be reduced by

    use of bag type tanks or by coating metal tanks

    with GRP. Tanks should be located so that they

    are given maximum protection by the structure of

    the vehicle. Vents should be designed to avoid

    spillage if the vehicle becomes inverted.

    (b) Fuel Fillers – these should be designed and

    located to reduce risk of damage. Filler caps

    should not be liable to open in the case of an

    accident. Simple screw caps are effective. The

    positive locking of the fuel filler caps is

    recommended. The filler pipe to the tank should

    be of minimum possible length and not protrude

    beyond the bodywork (6).

    Harness regulations

    in Competing in Land Rovers

    Posted

    hope this helps, by the way all three point harness' have been banned for speed events

    57.2.1. All vehicles must comply with K.2.1.2, K.3.1.2

    (not plumbed in), K.5, K.6, K.8.

    2.1. All seat safety belts must be must be complete

    units sourced from a recognised manufacturer and

    fitted in accordance with the manufacturers

    instructions, MSA recommendations or FIA

    requirements. (See FIA Drawing Nos. 253–42, 253–43,

    253–44 and 253–45)

    Seat belts, in the following specified configurations,

    must be worn and be correctly adjusted at all times

    during events:

    2.1.1. Three point. One diagonal shoulder strap and

    one lap strap, with three anchorage points on the

    chassis/body shell or roll over bar of the vehicle on

    either side and to the rear of the driver’s seat.

    2.1.2. Four point. Two shoulder straps and one lap

    strap, with four anchorage points on the chassis/body

    shell or roll over bar of the vehicle. One either side of

    the driver and two to the rear of the driver’s seat.

    2.1.3. Six point. Two shoulder straps, one lap strap and

    two straps between the legs, with six anchorage points

    on the chassis/body shell or roll over bar of the vehicle.

    One either side of the driver, two to the rear of the

    driver’s seat (or one symmetrical for the two shoulder

    straps) and two between the legs.

    2.1.4. Where safety harnesses are mandatory it is

    recommended that those described in 2.1.2. and 2.1.3.

    are homologated by the FIA and carry their label.

    2.1.5. It is permitted to make a hole in series production

    seats to allow secure anchoring of seat belts.

    2.1.6. All seat belts used on International events must

    be homologated by the FIA, and carry their label.

    2.1.7. It is not permitted to mix parts of seat belts. Only

    complete sets as supplied by manufacturers should be

    used.

    2.1.8. Only one release mechanism is permitted on

    each seat belt configuration and this must be available

    for the wearer to operate whilst seated in the

    competing position.

    2.1.9. The anchorage points to the rear should be

    positioned so that the strap from the shoulder is as

    near horizontal as possible. It should not be located on

    the floor directly behind the driver/co-driver.

    2.1.10. Seat belts once involved in a serious accident

    should be discarded as they are likely to have

    stretched. Belts subjected to oil, acid or heat should be

    replaced.

    Jungletime Adventures

    in Getting out and about

    Posted

    Anyone remember this outfit?

    A couple of fella's from Difflock went some years back, i remember the thread about it.

    Are they still about?

    The website is still around (http://www.jungletimeadventures.com/index.shtml )but the email address seem's to no longer work :(

    jungletimeadventures was marten Lewis who use to compete in the rain forest challenge in the early years but jungletimeadventures are no longer about now

    nik

    ps see you on sunday at the challenger challenge

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