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Apologies in advance if I'm taking liberties in the wrong section but I have a mini emergency. I've taken apart my Discovery TD5 to change the clutch and flywheel only to find it has the slimmer single mass solid flywheel and the bolts aren't long enough for the new dual mass I have.
Is there anyone out there who has spare full length flywheel bolts that I could use within a 50 mile radius of Medway Kent? It's my only car and I've taken time off work on Monday to finish it but could be in trouble if I don't get hold of the bolts tomorrow which of course, is a Sunday...
Or a supplier that would have them and be open on a Sunday...
Thanking anyone who responds in advance...
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Good news, changed the pump and everything works fine. In fact the PAS is lighter than it was before so perhaps it was failing slowly before going completely kaput. I'm glad it wasn't the steering box as the pump was fairly straight forward and finished by lunchtime.
Thanks again for the advice
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You were quite right Old Hand, on closer inspection the copper in the wires were undamaged. I just spent a tedious few hours on my back pulling apart the melted sheaths and wrapping them separately in insulation tape. Changed the burnt relays and turned the ignition, everything works fine :-)
Thanks very much for the advice, got on to the real business at hand of welding in the inner wing and it all looks better than it did before.
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Thanks all for the advice. I lubed the UJ's which did look rusty and tensioned the belt (which is only 1.5yrs old and looked fined) just to eliminate it but neither made any difference. Then I bled the system. And that's when it got interesting; I bled it about 15 times, hard lock left, then right, then central and bled for about 10/15 secs before the oil flowed smoothly. Then I 'd do it again and again and again. Steering got easier but by no means normal. Oh, and strangely the fluid level went up at one point which gave me false hope thinking there was just a mother of an air lock in there but 10 bleeds later still no joy.
Rang the local Landy parts supplier and they reckon it's the pump rather than the steering box because there should have been (if the pump was working) a strong jet of oil coming from the bleed screw which sometimes hits the bonnet. Whereas mine just dribbled out.
I bought the pump (£170 ouch) and will fit it tomorrow. For that price I hope I've found the right solution. I'll post back the results so anyone with the same symptons will know the solution.
Thanks again guys.
Sunny
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Hello all,
I own a K reg. 200tdi Discovery which, surprise surprise, I've done lots of welding and changing of windows, door lock springs, dampers etc. etc...... A much loved family vehicle that I maintain for my wife. She turned a corner today and as she straightened up and pulled up to the house (thankfully) the steering went dead, she didn't feel or hear anything in terms of a sudden snap or clonk, it just went dead. I've had a quick look at it in the dark and will look again tomorrow morning before work but I'm pressed for time and need it back on the road asap as it's the family car, not a plaything.
I've checked the following;
1. Fluid level; full.
2. Power steering pump belt; not broken and didn't look like it was slipping but will check tension tomorrow
Does anyone have any ideas what the problem could be? And give me an idea of what I need to check? About a month ago the ignition barrel seized up and I had to replace it. In doing so I dry steered the wheels to move the steering wheel for access. When I'd finished the barrel I noticed PAS fluid all over the ground, it appeared to have burst out of the steering box, I topped it up again and it was fine...until now. However, as there's no loss in fluid I'm thinking it's not anything to do with it but thought I'd mention it.
Help me please! I need to order what I need tomorrow and hopefully fix it over the weekend or the family's gonna be stranded next week.
Thanking you in advance.
Sunny
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Hi all,
I've owned a Disco 200tdi for just over a year now and am working my way through the usual suspects to keep it going i.e. replacing windows/rotten sliders, welding sills, replacing the suspension etc. To cut a long story short; some idiot knocked the wing and bumper effectively writing it off. It's too good to scrap so I'm fixing it myself with some paid help on spraying a new wing. With the damaged wing off I saw some welding to the inner sills that needed doing. Got going with it but being a welding novice (my 2nd time trying) I managed to set some of the electric wiring loom alight!
Absolutely gutted, this is a family car not a hobby and I need it back on the road asap before I settle with the insurance comp and they take my courtesy car away! The damage is in the driver's foot well to the right behind the plastic cover. My wife took some piccies that I've attached but not sure it's clear. Doesn't look like any copper in the wires are completely melted but the insulation definitely is and there's clearly a load of short circuits. I see my options as follows:
1. Trace every wire to a point where it wasn't burnt and splice/solder in unburnt wire one by one: Not only tedious but there are some badly burnt connections: 4 white plugs and a big red one that probably need replacing, they look like they're fixed to the bodywork. I'm assuming I'll have to take the dash off to double check the loom where I can't see it.
2. Buy a loom from another Disco and do the above, splicing in healthy wires at an appropriate point but in theory I suppose it will be quicker as I won't have to be so meticulous in tracing the burnt wire?
3. Get an autoelectrician in: not really an option as I assume it's too expensive for the value of the car
A mate of mine breaks disco's to keep his 4X4 hobby going and has offered for me to go down to his yard and pull out a loom from an old 3 door 200tdi he's breaking. Great opportunity as I can practice taking the dash off to get the loom and in theory just replace like for like....or can I? I have a 4 door 1993 Disco with air con, remote vol control, 4 elec windows. Will the loom be the same or will I still have to check it carefully, even alter it to be the same? Should I just get a loom from a vehicle closer in age, 4 door etc. or is it all the same loom?
Thanks in advance to anyone who can advise. I'm awful at autoelectris btw so idiots guide in doing this would be appreciated.
Anyone any ideas out there? I've added these pictures of what appear to be relays, 3 yellow connectors, 1 white and a red one. Is this all a standard part of the loom, I think the red one might be something to do with the air con?
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Hi all,
I've owned a Disco 200tdi for just over a year now and am working my way through the usual suspects to keep it going i.e. replacing windows/rotten sliders, welding sills, replacing the suspension etc. To cut a long story short; some idiot knocked the wing and bumper effectively writing it off. It's too good to scrap so I'm fixing it myself with some paid help on spraying a new wing. With the damaged wing off I saw some welding to the inner sills that needed doing. Got going with it but being a welding novice (my 2nd time trying) I managed to set some of the electric wiring loom alight!
Absolutely gutted, this is a family car not a hobby and I need it back on the road asap before I settle with the insurance comp and they take my courtesy car away! The damage is in the driver's foot well to the right behind the plastic cover. My wife took some piccies that I've attached but not sure it's clear. Doesn't look like any copper in the wires are completely melted but the insulation definitely is and there's clearly a load of short circuits. I see my options as follows:
1. Trace every wire to a point where it wasn't burnt and splice/solder in unburnt wire one by one: Not only tedious but there are some badly burnt connections: 4 white plugs and a big red one that probably need replacing, they look like they're fixed to the bodywork. I'm assuming I'll have to take the dash off to double check the loom where I can't see it.
2. Buy a loom from another Disco and do the above, splicing in healthy wires at an appropriate point but in theory I suppose it will be quicker as I won't have to be so meticulous in tracing the burnt wire?
3. Get an autoelectrician in: not really an option as I assume it's too expensive for the value of the car
A mate of mine breaks disco's to keep his 4X4 hobby going and has offered for me to go down to his yard and pull out a loom from an old 3 door 200tdi he's breaking. Great opportunity as I can practice taking the dash off to get the loom and in theory just replace like for like....or can I? I have a 4 door 1993 Disco with air con, remote vol control, 4 elec windows. Will the loom be the same or will I still have to check it carefully, even alter it to be the same? Should I just get a loom from a vehicle closer in age, 4 door etc. or is it all the same loom?
Thanks in advance to anyone who can advise. I'm awful at autoelectris btw so idiots guide in doing this would be appreciated.
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When I bought my first Disco 200 it came with a new MOT. The fail sheet definitely had this same problem as a fail and the garage I bought it from had to fit a new relay to cure it to get the ticket.
Might be the case but they're definitely on different relays, my dash blinkers don't work but the audible click does. Which is making me think I could get away with it in theory but I've ordered the part so will change it anyway.
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if the dash indicator doesnt' work, then yes i think it does.
Ah, better add it to my list of things to do before the 18th then...
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it will be the flasher unit playing up. had the same on my old 200tdi, indicators worked fine, but the flasher light on the dash would only flash once.
the trailer light on the dash flashes once on all models - nothing to worry about there.
new relay will cure it, it's behind the fusebox cover under the column - bit of a pig to get at but certainly diy-able
Great, thanks for the simple and quick response, got a quote of £17 from Paddocks so not the end of the world + I have small children with more nimble fingers than me so maybe access won't be so bad.....better remember to disconnect the battery first
Just out of curiosity does it constitute an MOT failure?
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Hi all,
I have a K reg. Disco 200tdi and have owned it for approximately a year. It came with a year's MOT but for as long as I can remember it's had a problem with dashboard indicator lights. All indicators work correctly, also the tow bar electrics work fine and the trailer lights come on as they should. However, the dashboard acts very erratically, it varies as follows when using the indicators:
1. Sometimes the trailer light comes on whether the trailers attached or not
2. Very rarely the actual indicator light comes on.
3. Mostly nothing comes on at all.
I loathe auto electrics and really have no idea where to start. I'm assuming it's not a fuse problem as the lights have come on before. I would have a go at guessing there's an earthing problem because of the on/off symptons but that's as much as I can work out by myself. Any ideas?
Most importantly I've got an MOT coming up, would it be an MOT failure?
Thanks in advance for any responses.
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Yes
In which case why not just go OEM rather than genuine? Big difference in price, but same performance....right? And are there different levels of quality in OEM, i.e. oem from paddocks bad, but maybe okay from rimmerbros? Or is the minimum standard the same as genuine by default?
Sorry for the silly questions but I really want to make sure I'm not spending money unneccessarily....
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hi
i haven looked for the prices but i have always found land rover series to be well priced with quick delivery and there is always the option of pattern (not recomeneded usually) or genuine.
HTH
matt
Thanks for the tip, I tried the website, loads of parts and looks like it has anything you could possibly want but not much different in price in terms of the springs at least from Rimmerbros.
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Personally I don't have a massive problem with OEM compared to genuine. However, pattern is not OEM, it's pattern. You need to be careful of the terms, and you nee to be very clear when ordering or Paddocks etc. will send you Britpart / assorted unbranded cr*p if you don't tell them very clearly not to.
As a general rule, anything with a known brand I am happy with - EG Coopers/Fram/Mann for filters, Dayco for belts, Quinten Hazel for hose, TRW for brake & clutch bits, AP/B&B for friction bits etc.
I've never found Rimmer bros to be particularly cheap, in fact I've often found them to be bleedin' expensive.
I'd go with that, my local independent LR dealer can get the genuine springs in about £30 cheaper and of course I save more money on delivery. Earlier someone in the thread mentioned a local LR dealer was the best bet and it would appear so. Interesting that there's a difference between OEM and pattern, obvious I'm sure to everyone else! So in theory OEM is made to the same specification, materials etc. as LR genuine but just minus the label? Whereas pattern is literally a copy but not from the original factory? Is that correct?
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And OMG rubber bushes genuine:
http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/cgi-bin/rimmer...covery/susp-std
A cool £150, again, for my resolve is it really worth getting genuine above the standard rubber bushes that the likes of Craddocks, Paddocks etc. sell?
Just for reference to the tiny minority of people like me who didn't know; Rimmerbros alternative parts with P after the part number means "pattern" i.e. OEM which is why they're cheaper. One could assume that they're "better" OEM than the paddocks/britpart OEM stuff but I don't know for sure, any thoughts? And also re. the bushes, are OEM bushes okay rather than genuine or will they be more difficult to fit/be lower quality?
Thanks,
Sunny
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You read my mind oh lr guru, i was just checking out a thread looking at the merits of genuine versus oem. Is best place to try LR local dealer or Rimmerbros? Looking at RB they seem to have 2 choices:
http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/cgi-bin/rimmer...covery/susp-std
or
http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/cgi-bin/rimmer...;PartID=RD1048P
I'm praying it's the one closer to a £100 but somehow I don't think I'm that lucky. So at the moment it looks like going 100% genuine is dearer than fancy HD/gas stuff and you still say it's worth it? I'm hanging on your every word here, or do you know of anywhere that does cheaper genuine? Are the armstrong oil filled shocks as good as genuine shocks or again would you stick by genuine all round?
And OMG rubber bushes genuine:
http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/cgi-bin/rimmer...covery/susp-std
A cool £150, again, for my resolve is it really worth getting genuine above the standard rubber bushes that the likes of Craddocks, Paddocks etc. sell?
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Red / White Police spec springs are 170 Lbs and around 17+ inchs liong
fine for a RR with Boge self leveller not for a disco
Buy GENUINE springs not some **** sold as "Der Biz"
Genuine stuff spring wise is also suprisingly cheap as LR have dropped prices on classic stuff
and they last, ****part All**** and C**pocks specials will prob not give a level ride height
at best and defo sag sortly after the warranty expires which is either 1 year or 1 day after fitting
The std Genuine springs and a set of decent shocks and bushes all genuine is all you need
Nige
You read my mind oh lr guru, i was just checking out a thread looking at the merits of genuine versus oem. Is best place to try LR local dealer or Rimmerbros? Looking at RB they seem to have 2 choices:
http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/cgi-bin/rimmer...covery/susp-std
or
http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/cgi-bin/rimmer...;PartID=RD1048P
I'm praying it's the one closer to a £100 but somehow I don't think I'm that lucky. So at the moment it looks like going 100% genuine is dearer than fancy HD/gas stuff and you still say it's worth it? I'm hanging on your every word here, or do you know of anywhere that does cheaper genuine? Are the armstrong oil filled shocks as good as genuine shocks or again would you stick by genuine all round?
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They are softer because the RR also has a self levelling strut to help out - the Disco doesn't.
Which would explain some disco complaints of a wallowy ride I guess....it really is a minefield of information out there. Interesting for someone like me as well who's probably in the minority and doesn't really off road and just wants to keep the disco ticking over with minor improvements where I can.
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I think you are 100% correct that's what we fitted to daughters RR a small lift and a bit stiffer, much better than some replacements !!
Did a bit more research on the RR police spec, apparently they're lower in terms of the weight they're sprung for (or however you measure em...) than standard Disco springs. If this is the case then I think I'm going for standard disco new springs, combined with basic gas monroes or similar (not britpart even though cheaper as they don't seem to be the knowing LR owner's choice?) and renew standard rubber bushes where needed. This reflects a little more faith in the original spec disco to do the job (particularly as my vehicle is mainly a people carrier) but adds the gas shocks as a little bit beyond the factory standard for a bit more control on the road. Or that's what I'm hoping anway....
Thanks for the advice yall, hope I'm on the right track now
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It's that ease of fitting that causes them to wear out so fast. Unless everything is tight, or bonded, the bush will rotate in the housing or the central sleeve will rotate in the bush. Given that the polyurethane is so soft, rapid wear is inevitable.
Original equipment metalastic type bushes have no moving parts, except the distortion of the rubber, and are therefore infinitely superior in the nasty, gritty, environment under the average 4x4.
Sold, I suppose I'll be hacking them off and hammering on new ones, it'll be character building. Or I could cop out and send it to the garage as suggested earlier in the thread, either way I think I'll give polybushes a miss, thanks for saving me some money
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Has anyone wondered why polybushes aren't used as original equipment by any manufacturer?
I rate them alongside hiclones, magnetic petrol polarizers, lumps of tin in the fuel tank etc. If they were any good they would be fitted as standard.
Ease of fitting for lazy DIYers who don't have hydraulic presses? So is it impossible to refit original bushes without an hydraulic press?
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10 Ton press is a minimum I'd say, I've known 40+ ton presses struggle with bushes that have rusted in. You can always butcher them out with a hammer & chisel though, just takes a while. Easiest to remove the arms from the car (one at a time) and do them on the bench. Not a complicated job, just hard work sometimes.
Half way between HD springs and stock would be to put RR police spec springs on. I had those and Monroe shocks on my RR and it went lovely without being a harsh ride.
Yeh I've heard of the police spec springs, sounds good. Any ideas of where they can be bought from?
Thanks,
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Why on earth would you fit HD springs ?
If the ones on there are 150,000 miles, and the shocks equally shot, with worn out bushes
just replace with standard new stuff to transform it
Nige
Erm I dunno, thought it was the done thing.....well no need to spend more money than I need. So in actual fact should I just be going for oil filled armstrongs as well then or will a bit extra on basic gas ones make the difference?
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You can look in tech archive here for pics and advice, but frankly, if you are not off-roading you won't be changing your bushes that often (80,000 miles+) so by the time you've bought a press, knackered some sockets getting the bushes out etc
, bought an angle grinder and some cutting discs for the bolts that won't come undone ;) it's less hassle and potentially less money to take it to a local independent garage to have them done there.Cheers
Steve
LOL, I can see where you're coming from, I have a decent angle grinder at least and first things first I need to get under the car to check how knackered the bushes really are. I assume they're not great because of the awful ride which is really bumpy, swervy etc. but as I've never had a Discovery before so this could be par for the course. I definitely want to try new gas shocks, nothing amazing just monroes and possibly HD springs although again it's mainly a people carrier with the odd heavy load and trailer full of rubble so would HD springs be over the top? Better to just get new standard? With the bushes is it simply a case of if they don't look physically knackered i.e. melting/crumbling/overly compressed they're okay and just leave em?
Oh and the car's done 150k miles, had full LR history up to 2000ish and can't see any reference to bushes being changed.
Thanks
, bought an angle grinder and some cutting discs for the bolts that won't come undone
3.9 Camshaft change question
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Hi all, I know it's an old thread but I'm in the middle of doing a camshaft change myself. Can anyone tell me how you can move the condenser without disconnecting the pipes and releasing the refrigerant? Is it simply 2 bolts off then lift or lower the condenser with high pressure input and output pipes (top left hand side of condenser as you look at the bonnet from the front) still connected? I haven't tried yet but it looks rather stiff to me and I really don't fancy trying to release the gas and undo the pipes. Also, I assume I have to take off the front grill to get at it?
Can anyone whose done this before please advise, bit of an SOS as I'm doing the top end as well so everything in bits with a deadline to finish for Monday!
Thanks in advance for anyone that can help.