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Hello Mike, Found more information about carnet for Egypt http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/tripplan/...st-of-countries Scroll down to "Africa" section. Last few lines are interesting. leave a 2000Euro deposit on entry, and collect 2000Euros on satisfactory exit. Could make the whole carnet thing much cheaper if leaving Egypt off the list of countries, as Egypt is the 800% one.

.. . My 39 month old Land Cruiser has 215k miles. Still a sweet as a nut. never stopped once on the side of the road, never missed a beat. If it doesn't do 500k, I will show my A$$$ in Tesco window.

.. . Yes, all good fun. here are 2 of my best. 1. It is a well known fact, 80% of ALL Land Rovers are still on the road to this day. The other 20% made it home. 2. If you want to go into the bush / desert take a Land rover. If you want to come back again, take a Land Cruiser. graham

Found this browsing the many sites, while looking for a crossing from jeddah to Sudan (port Sudan or Saukin) I thought I would share.. a friends story. By this time the Camel was suffering from serious power loss and was belching black smoke at the slightest incline. We stopped for the night at a plantation where we made as welcome as language (or lack of it) would permit by the young caretaker. Nanda and Dirk got to enjoy a cool shower before we settled down for some decent chow and an early night. The next morning I set of ahead of the others to see how the Camel was going to behave - by now I couldn't even stay in fourth gear, so when the Landcriuser caught up they hitched me up and towed me the full 400km into Khartoum. Graham

Hello Mike, Might need to ask the source of your information . http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/rout...8537#post212000

Hello Mike, GPS banned in Egypt ! Never heard of that one, But who's to see you are using GPS anyway, Road signs are very good any way, all the way down to Aswan. Which route had you been looking at, perhaps the Istanbul, Syria, Jordan would suit you guy's. Were you going to ship back to UK after arriving in Cape Town? Grahan

Hello Mike, I understand GPS works ok in Egypt. There are loads of way point files to pick from. When were you guy's planning to leave? What route were you going to do Graham

Hello Martin and others, It looks like there could be a route change for our trip to Cape Town September / October 2010. After listing all the possible charges for vehicle carnet, It is more clear, that if your' in a vehicle thats circa £10k, and Egypt is on your route, then it's expensive. There is a school of thought now, possible run down to Istanbul, through Syria, through Jordan and into Saudi. head for Jeddah, and ferry across to Saawakin, in Sudan, thats just 100km's south of Port Sudan. then continue on the Ethiopia, Kenya, ect, Page 1 from the beginning, http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/trav...cape-town-33834 here is page 2 of the thread for anyone interested. (Carnet costs etc) http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/trav...pe-town-33834-2 This trip is just going to get done, but not at throwing money away, just to drive through Egypt. Oh, and also the ferry from Aswan to Wadi Halfa, is also costly. this is so, because there is no permitted road crossing between Egypt and Sudan, so the ferry is a must. Graham

Aaah, The 2.7 petrol Raider, Very capable. My good friend in CPT has one, a little "thirsty" I might add. I lived in Cape Town for 16 years, so, could take you round Cape town and the peninsular, better than Liverpool, Manchester or the North West ! And You? Fancy a drive to Cape Town? I am considering doing it in say 24 months from now. Need that time so save! My wife is a South African girl, and her family, brothers sisters etc, are still there, we have strong ties there still. Hence the overland trip to Cape Town is more than just an idea, it's some thing that is close to my heart. We have a small house in Cape Town suburbs, just 7km outside Cape Town itself. It is a wanting fact that my wife wants us to buy a bigger house in CPT, and retire there. I just need a bit of convincing. I will see if I can send PM. Maybe not enough posts yet ! Graham

Godly, Are you a "prospective" over-lander to Cape Town? Or have you already done other over-land routes? Graham . Currently in Olso

Hi Godly, good information. I do like the sound of the Saudi route, I have been to cairo, aswan etc, so nothing much left for me to see there. it's just that damn 800% and the Aswan/Wadi ferry. I was originally looking at the Atlantic route, Moroc, Maurat, Mali etc, but there is just so many countries to pass through. Sure, would probably be the more exciting route, but also the most time consuming. Taking time off work for 2 months ~ 3 months isnt too bad, but i think the Atlantic route needs perhaps 3 ~ 4 months. I do have a liking for Turkey, and the East, so Syria, Jordan, Saudi, Sudan might just be it for me. Im'e not a LR man, but when you axle deep in sand, it doesn't matter who pulls you out. It's all good banter. . . . .

Two books I bought in Cape Town recently. packed with maps and full of places to see and go. . . . I do think the Jordan and Saudi Arabia route could well be exciting

. . Hi Martin, You are almost correct, 800% for Egypt.. . I really don't know how they can justify an 800% carnet. Then you have the "Rip-off" at wadi halfa. That ferry is also one of the most expensive. i would also think the west coast (Atlantic) rout would be expensive for the number of visas you have to yet, and all the waiting time to get the damn visas. As much as I would like to see Egypt again, I am thinking, in my £13k 'cruiser, the carnet would cripple me. i would be very keen to do the alternative "Yellow" route. perhaps through Turkey etc. How is the crossing the Red Sea done, which port to port ? graham

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. . Now that "Mollie" looks like a real "top heavy" rig set up. Wouldn't fancy that on any thing but long smooth straite tarmac.