[Coney Green Challenge Sunday 22]

Excellent event well set out and a very friendly atmosphere. thanks to everyone

Glad you enjoyed it.Sorry about the rain.Nothing's perfect, but we're close

[Brand New Challenge venue]

Looking on the http://www.midlandoffroadclub.co.uk/challenge.html web site I see you do a class one which is for a one winch no diff locks vehicle. You have put a weekend challenge so that'l be 2 days then ?. His this event suitable for a class one vehicle and a novice driver ? There is no mention of cost but as your one day challenge is just £40 then two days will be just £80

As with all MOC Challenges including the LRS CHALLENGE they are suitable for all the classes, including nivices,NO BIG TYRES, NO REAR STEER, NO PORTALLS, sorry. This is goind to run along the same lines as our normal challenge, the only difference being that to do justice to the site, and to give competitors time to explore fully it will be over 2 days, also gives us some quality pi$$ taking social time around a camp fire.

[LRS Challenge Dates 2010]

I have a LR with open diffs and just a front winch, I have never done a winch challenge before would this event be a good place to start. All comments welcome.

Yes this would be a good place to start, there ia always someone around to help and advise if u want it, or you can just get on with it on your owne, there is always a real mix of punches, mud, slopes, axle twisters, to keep everyone happy, also there is a set of guidlines to which the event is run/set out to, Just to keep things sensable and safe, We dont to huge vertical drops, or driving over and along cliff's,or roof deep water ,we dont need too ;)We leave that to other Challenges. Look at the videos on u tube, to get an idea of what you are letting yourself, in for . A word of Worning, YOU WILL END UP SCRATCHING and DENTING ur motor, but will enjoy doing it so much ull want to stick one on the rear as well

[LRS Challenge Dates 2010]

Here are the dates & venues for the 2010 LRS Challenge Series

Sunday March 21st 2010 Duck End, Kettering, Northants. NN14 4AD

Sunday April 11th 2010 Harbury, Warwickshire

Sunday May 30th 2010 Yarwell, Lincs. PE8 6PN

Sunday June 20th Coney Green, Stourport on Severn, Worcestshire. DY13 0TE

Sunday September 19th 2010 Upper Loads, Holymoorside, Chesterfield, Derbys. S42 7BS

Sunday October 17th 2010 Woodhouse Farm, Brosley, Telford, Shrops TF12 5AE

The classes have changed slightly as follows

8. CLASSES

The Event will consist of three classes as follows:-

Class 1. Limited Modifications.

Vehicles do not need to be taxed for road use and may be equipped with one front winch which must have a minimum rating of twice the vehicle weight. Traction aids (locking/limited-slip/torque-bias etc) may only be used if original factory fitted equipment. Vehicles with soft structured roofs must have roll over protection with a minimum of a roll over hoop (MSA spec).

Class 2. Modified.

Vehicles do not need to be taxed for road use and may be equipped with one of the following: Two winches, specification as class one, (or one that is movable and is capable of multiple direction pulls), or one front fixed winch and one traction aid.

Class 3. Unlimited Modifications.

Vehicles do not need to be taxed for road use and may be equipped with any combination of winch, specification as class one, AND diff locks. Hydraulic steering is allowed but if fitted, vehicle must carry suitable spares and an emergency spill kit.

A new web site will be up & running in the next week or two at lrschallenge.co.uk

Hope to se you there

Simon

[LRS Challenge Dates 2010]

If this years events are half as good as last years it's gona be brilliant , This Midlands/leicestershire based Challenge gives the more novice teams a chance to compete alongside more experianced crews, but always a very friendly enviroment. Some exelent venues too, have a look on you tube. or googel LRS Challenge and any round 1/6. Limated spaces avalable.

[Coney Green Challenge Sunday 22]

36" or 900 in old school, and mot road legal!. i ant going to cry over 1/4 inch are u ?? The tyre size is used as a leveler and to try and minimise ground damage, When we check vehicles I've never seem anyone get a tape measure out and physically measure a tyre. And i know that different makes of tyre are physically bigger than others even though there the same stamped size!.Bring a brolly and some wellies if you're coming, and some spare socks

[Coney Green Challenge Sunday 22]

MOC Challenge at coney, Sorry No Portall's, No rear steer, tyres under 36".IT IS SLIPPY

[Brand New Challenge venue]

Will it be rear steer friendly as well as hydro steer

Carl.

No rear steer just front please and road legel tyres 36" max, and no portalls,( change happens slowly) sorry if this excludes you but we have to look after our sites , Ps i can't spell but i can find brilliant new sites occasionally look on the forum and pm your email to me and i will contact u with more info, were keeping this a bit of a seckret for now. Thanks

[Brand New Challenge venue]

The Midland offroad Club has a brand new site and is planning to hold a weekend Challenge there ,For more info look on moc forum. Ps this event will be "hydrosteer frendly"

[Why the stigma with hydrosteer ?]

Have you tried asking the moc why the regs are there, you can email them directly from the website, you might even get them changed if you are perswasive enough.

Why or what is the stigma attached to pure hydrosteer, and why is deemed to be so advantagous?

Just read the Midland off road reg's and again "no pure hydrosteer", so whats the big advantage with being able to steer?, or is just the case of another organiser who cannot move with the times.

Don't take it to heart MOR your just the one I saw today, I've been asking myself this question for some time now.

I can understand Rear steer and/or Portals offer an avantage but not hydrosteer, was the same sort of stigma attached to servo assisted brakes or intermittant wipers when thay were introduced?

Or is a case of we haven't got it on ours so you can't play?

Maybe the reason is failure or lack of understanding, but surely the very fact it will turn cannot be seen as an avantage but surely a neccessity and most of the systems I have seen are stronger than the standard bendy rods type so safety surely cannot be penalised because if thats the case why not penalise and ban roll cages?

If its the reason what happens if a hose fails, well I haven't seen one go yet but seen plenty of standard steering rods and track rod ends fail.

So come organisers tell us your reasons.

[Why the stigma with hydrosteer ?]

If adding hydro stear wasn't an advantage why did you fit it, same goes for big tyres,difflocks, biggerwinches ect. If the moc did let in more mods what would u suggest,please bear in mind gound damage, and all the points these good people have raised!. Also who would be interested and comming along to enter,bearing in mind you may end up being beaten by a standardish suzi! I have a little clout in the moc and could raise any good points with the people on power ect. not propasing anything though, go on convince me!

Why or what is the stigma attached to pure hydrosteer, and why is deemed to be so advantagous?

Just read the Midland off road reg's and again "no pure hydrosteer", so whats the big advantage with being able to steer?, or is just the case of another organiser who cannot move with the times.

Don't take it to heart MOR your just the one I saw today, I've been asking myself this question for some time now.

I can understand Rear steer and/or Portals offer an avantage but not hydrosteer, was the same sort of stigma attached to servo assisted brakes or intermittant wipers when thay were introduced?

Or is a case of we haven't got it on ours so you can't play?

Maybe the reason is failure or lack of understanding, but surely the very fact it will turn cannot be seen as an avantage but surely a neccessity and most of the systems I have seen are stronger than the standard bendy rods type so safety surely cannot be penalised because if thats the case why not penalise and ban roll cages?

If its the reason what happens if a hose fails, well I haven't seen one go yet but seen plenty of standard steering rods and track rod ends fail.

So come organisers tell us your reasons.

[Why the stigma with hydrosteer ?]

what dose the MSA say on steering??? Any idea anyone???and will the fact that msa clubs having to have a msa official have any impact on the subject???? dunno? just a thought i had in the bath

[Why the stigma with hydrosteer ?]

I am a member of the morc and do as many of their challenges as time and cash dictate,by no means are all the motors competing road legal,

I think the point of the restrictions are to keep a levelish playing field and not scare of those of us on a tight buget.

Im not saying they've got it completly right as im sure they could do with bigger turn out at events to help pay site fee's etc,

me I just get fed up having my ass kicked by standard zuk's

Its tricky to know where to draw the line though,ALRC anyone?

Sorry some of us zuks beat you, if you wait a while the rust will have become terminal and you can then win,ha ha. Blody hell what a debate on the sreering issue, all above have a valid point, but one point that noone has raised is the true reason ( i suspest ) that hydrosteering has been fitted to so many bigger vehicles,no effort steering. Let me explain: When you fit big tyres, you often find big offset wheels, these dont turn they sort of swing when steering, when a vehicle puts weight on the front axle ( nose dive into ruts ect) the steeribg becomes very heavy as the vehicles weight is lifted by the steering as the wheels try to swing rather than pivot on there center, hydro steer has no/very little feel to it and if u turn the steering wheel the steering wheels turn regardless of weight/load on them( dont even dare to mention relief pressure valves, because if ypur going to tell me that you fitted a relief valve or only have a small punp so it mimics a series 2 or a rangerover pas box, then i wont believe u) There are benifits to this and i could have easily fitted this to my susi, or jeep or rangerover but i chose not to, and in doing so put myself at a dissadvantage( probably) but its a choice i dont regret, and reading all the comments i think for me its the right chouce, im also thinking of loosing the difflocks and detuning my diesel engine. Think about it! think very carfully indeed, think bact to your early days in a 4x4.

[Why the stigma with hydrosteer ?]

Why or what is the stigma attached to pure hydrosteer, and why is deemed to be so advantagous?

Just read the Midland off road reg's and again "no pure hydrosteer", so whats the big advantage with being able to steer?, or is just the case of another organiser who cannot move with the times.

Don't take it to heart MOR your just the one I saw today, I've been asking myself this question for some time now.

I can understand Rear steer and/or Portals offer an avantage but not hydrosteer, was the same sort of stigma attached to servo assisted brakes or intermittant wipers when thay were introduced?

Or is a case of we haven't got it on ours so you can't play?

Maybe the reason is failure or lack of understanding, but surely the very fact it will turn cannot be seen as an avantage but surely a neccessity and most of the systems I have seen are stronger than the standard bendy rods type so safety surely cannot be penalised because if thats the case why not penalise and ban roll cages?

If its the reason what happens if a hose fails, well I haven't seen one go yet but seen plenty of standard steering rods and track rod ends fail.

So come organisers tell us your reasons.

The midland do not ban hudrolic steer, but they do insist on a mechanical link, the reason is if fluid is lost then there is no steering on a purley hudrolic set up,(try turning a tractor or forklift) so car is imobile and may have to be left on site, untill fixed, Do you really want to leave your pride and joy in a wood or pond untill you can fix it, (if the local lowlifs find it it will probably end up burnt out and bits on e bay) at least when there is still a mechanical link there is steering, heavy but steering.And you can always straighten a bent tube or tie a tierod end to make it mobile. there is nothing wrong with progress and technical inovation, servo breaks are brill untill you loose then,abs IS BRILLIANT untill it cant find any grip o has a fault and turns breaks off(range rover classic) traction controll is brilliant untill you have no traction at all and turns all power off(merc sl range). every thing has its place and its limits, big tyres could be said to be making up for poor driver skill, difflocks make up for poor axle articulation, nobody wants to stop progress, and there are plenty of unlimated mods events to enter, ps there is also a lot to be said for going back to basics and just ysing a few waffle boards a towrope a ratchet strap and a lot of carfull driving, TRY IT,

[how to get into winch challenge events]

just come back from the lrs challenge round 4 at kettering, you would have liked it, good laugh and lernt a lot too. remember its not whot u got.v its how u abuse it that matters.Some picteres on wed and youtube soon so have a look.