forestgrump

Les, Thank you, much appreciated

My clutch release bearing is on its way out so I have a little work to do, while everything is out I was thinking of an upgrade. It is an '03 defender with a Jeremy Fearne intercooler and remap, somewhere around the 185bhp mark, and tends to run with quite a bit of weight, I was thinking of fitting a Rakeway single mass flywheel, high performance clutch plate and heavy duty clutch release bearing. Rakeway tell me to expect noise and vibration similar to a 300tdi once the duel mass flywheel is replaced. Has anyone got any experience with this kit ? ( it costs a good £ 350 more than the OME ) Cheers in advance

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00pm34y/Top_Gear_Series_14_Bolivia_Special/ enough said

I'm looking at a veg oil pre-heat system as a work around for the viscosity issues. http://www.dieselveg.com/prod01.htm hence the need for a primer tank. a 300tdi might have been a better place to start but the Lucas injection pumps have a bad rep for failing on veg. http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/forum/viewthread.php?tid=548 Those issues aside a pre-fabricated tank would suit me best .. anyone know of someone who has built one before ?

I have two tanks on my 90 to help increase the distance it will go on one fill up. I fitted a safari-equip tank on the right hand side under the drivers seat, now the vehicle will comfortably manage 500 miles between ( expensive ) trips to the pump. Now I'm looking to a veg oil conversion ( which seems to be the only way to plan to keep this vehicle 15+ years as europe taxes car drivers into carbon reducing measures ). I need a new tank as the diesel primer for a veg conversion but want to keep the space in the back of my 90 free for work tools. Does anyone know of a left hand side tank kit for the 90 ? Safari-equip advertise a left hand tank but don't answer emails ( besides the rhs tank they did supply took about 6 months to deliver with a phone call every week ........... )

Runs on 110 vented discs and callipers, had a look at the comp. kit and thought on my rough country shocks and old man emu springs I probably couldn't withstand the G forces of stopping any quicker ........ also the brake lines were all upgraded to a nice stainless braided hose. I thought about adding a little decal of a ford fiesta with a line struck through it, air ace style, but decided against it The driver of the Fiesta had only one comment " got to get myself one of those Land Rovers " !

Another consideration when you chip a landy is stopping My TD5 has been re-mapped by Jeremy Fearne and had the intercooler replaced with a larger one, the exhaust has been de-catted and a straight through pipe put in. The transfer box is disco ratio. The engine re-map brings power up to about 185bhp. Overall this is good news, the defender can cruise at 70 ( I fitted noisekiller soundproofing, on long runs I use bfg all terrain, the mud tyres are v. noisy ). Fuel consumption improved, I return around 28mpg, even though I fitted a Patriot roof rack and a heavy winch. In London traffic the vehicle is more than capable of keeping up and sounds spectacular, especially when going through tunnels. However .... on a run back into town during rush hour, I'd been driving for 2hrs through some very heavy congestion, I found myself behind a fiesta that could stop much quicker than I, my brakes just faded away. This is my first RTA in 17 years and over 500,000 miles, quite a bit of that driven in a very powerful VW Transporter, so I'm fairly sure I'm an OK risk on the road ! Now the Landy has a nice big set of uprated brakes and some extra sticky pads. Fortunately I wasn't going all that fast so the collision caused no injury and the Fiesta managed to make it home OK, but as an illustration I'm posting the result of crumple zone technology interfacing with Land Rover durability. I thank God it wasn't a child that ran out it front.

Everyone who enjoys the countryside and the access which we have come to enjoy owes a great debt to Martin Doughty. His pioneering work is a testament to determination, perseverence and integrity. It's worth taking a moment to consider how Britain might now look and how few our chances to preserve and enjoy the great beauty of our island might be without the work of men and women of Doughty's spirit. Sir Martin Doughty: Pioneer of the modern approach to environmental conservation 'A man of unshakeable integrity and passion', Doughty fought for the right of the public to enjoy the English countryside Throughout the changing landscape of the environmental movement in this country over the last half-century, the one constant has been Sir Martin Doughty. His lifelong passion for the natural environment, and for increasing and improving people's access to it, leaves a powerful legacy. From the creation of the local nature reserve and Millennium walkway outside his front door in New Mills in the Peak District, through the opening up of a million hectares of England's wildest places, to his vision of access to the entire coastline for the nation, Doughty was a passionate and determined advocate for the rights of people to enjoy England's natural heritage. His life followed the 1949 National Parks and Access to the Countryside Act with remarkable precision. He was fond of telling people that he was conceived at the time of the First Reading in Parliament and delivered during the Third Reading in October 1949. His death, just ahead of the 60-year celebration of the Act this summer, in many ways concludes an era in England's conservation history, but leaves the strongest of foundations for the next chapter. His father, Harold, was a 15-year old observer at the 1932 mass trespass of Kinder Scout, a forbidden moor near Edale in Derbyshire's Peak District, when five ramblers were jailed. Harold was one of the legendary Manchester Ramblers who left New Mills one April Sunday, undeterred by "the wooden liars" (the infamous "trespassers will be prosecuted" signs) and the strong-arm tactics of the newly recruited army of gamekeepers. It was apt, therefore, that Harold's son would chair the Peak District National Park Authority, the first to be created under the 1949 Act. In 2007, Doughty co-wrote the Trespass Trail, a booklet which outlined a 14-mile walk celebrating the 75th anniversary of the Kinder Trespass. His passion and clarity of purpose were apparent in his conviction that everyone should have the right to enjoy the natural world. He always said that if it wasn't for the bravery and direct action of the Manchester Ramblers, people would not now enjoy the network of national parks provided by the 1949 Act, nor the right to roam that followed in 2000. However, he always maintained that, for all its epoch-making achievements, the 1949 National Parks Act was flawed in that it artificially separated the walkers and others who wanted to enjoy the countryside from the scientific conservation movement. As he always said, "when you go into the natural environment, you don't have two sides of your brain: one marked landscape and the other marked wildlife". He was a member of an informal group of 16 walkers who always travelled to the Peak District using bus and train services. In February each year, the group would cross Bleaklow to see the mountain hares in their white coats. He believed that nature and landscape are both part of the same experience. Doughty had a long and distinguished record of public service as a lecturer in environmental management at Sheffield Hallam University and over a decade as leader of Derbyshire County Council. He was also a board member of the Countryside Agency, Chair of English Nature and, right up to his death, Chair of Natural England. When he was leader of Derbyshire CC in the 1980s, Doughty became the only elected councillor ever to have closed a principal road. When the trans-Pennine A625 fell down Mam Tor, known as the shivering mountain, the Derbyshire County Surveyor said that he could rebuild it for £2m, while the local District Council demanded a bypass. As chair of Transport at Derbyshire CC, Doughty said that the best decision was to do nothing, thus creating a lorry-free oasis of calm in that part of the High Peak. The scale of Doughty's achievements were the result of an extraordinary range of personal characteristics. Behind an outwardly shy exterior, albeit armed always with a dry, and sometimes wicked sense of humour, he was a man with a ferocious tenacity to get things done. His judgement of and subsequent focus on the things that really mattered was unequalled, while the things that didn't really matter were treated always with courteous good humour. His constant aura of cheerful and self-deprecating calm extended to everyone he met and, especially, to the many board meetings that he chaired with consummate skill and grace. He always used his authority to cut through the bureaucracy and the flannel, which he abhorred, and to deliver real results on the ground, which he loved. When something was really important, he would pull his mobile phone out of his pocket and quietly and calmly speak to Ministers directly until the problem was fixed. Lastly, although he was a man of unshakeable integrity and a committed Labour supporter throughout his life, he managed to chair his agencies with a non-political clarity which meant that they always delivered with a constantly wide spectrum of political support. He was a keen walker, and talked passionately about the times that he and his fellow group of walkers enjoyed the upland flora and white hares that brought the landscape of the Peak District alive. He was never happier than when he was out in the hills, but that happiness did not come from one thing alone, it came from the sum of the parts. So he understood and relished the landscape, he spotted and enjoyed the birds and the hares, he delighted in the exercise and fresh air, and he revelled in the quiet but deep friendships of communal walking. And as he understood that his personal experience was the sum of all of these things, so he also understood that the environmental conservation movement needed to integrate if it were to deliver real benefit to society. His personal crusade to link people to the environment crossed the old rural and urban divides; he cared as much about local parks as national ones and always drove Natural England to "embrace people as well as wildlife". Most recently, he was an enthusiastic and eloquent proponent of the "new" conservation agenda (though it wasn't that new to him) that explicitly links the true value of a healthy natural environment to all the services that it provides society – clean water, food, flood defence, carbon storage, and places for people to enjoy – and thereby provides a compelling economic rationale for its conservation, in addition to the moral imperative. Ultimately, his final role as the founding chair of Natural England gave him the opportunity to finally reunite the two sides created by the National Parks Act in the year of his birth. In the last 15 years he democratised conservation by inviting the public to the board meetings of public agencies, he drove the agenda on the conservation of the country's best wildlife sites, he changed the world of public access to the countryside and, above all, he integrated all the different aspects of conservation into a single, wonderful story – understood by politicians and the public alike. Perhaps his only regret would be that he didn't live to see the culmination of the 1949 Act with the designation of the final National Park on the target list laid down in the 1940s, or the founding of an All England coastal trail, for which he was the driving force, and which might fittingly in the future be called "Doughty's Way". Dr Helen Phillips, Chief Executive of Natural England

Just in case anyone actually took my post seriously "I'd say a quiet Sunday evening on a stretch of the M1 maybe up around J15, would be nice if the weather was good, so how about mid July, perhaps the 19th ?" This may be the Billing weekend and I was joking

How about a mass land rover demonstration in support of Green Lanes ? A sizeable number of owners just to give a visible show. Wouldn't want to cause any disruption so would be best to keep it out of the major cities, also best to stick to a weekend so the working week isn't messed about with. I'd say a quiet Sunday evening on a stretch of the M1 maybe up around J15, would be nice if the weather was good, so how about mid July, perhaps the 19th ?

The point I'm trying to make ? The forum tends to indicate a very polarised 'them and us' attitude. I was just illustrating that Ramblers, Cyclists, Horse riders, etc are valuable members of a wider community, a viewpoint seemingly lost in a contentious, combative and hostile argument. Calls for a 'cull' would indicate a less than enlightened, progressive and informed approach. Characterising anyone who enjoys walking in the country as a 'bobbly' is overt segregation designed to dehumanise. A study of Fascist or Stalinist literature would understand the dangers implied in that. I have no doubt the 4x4 community also enjoys many august members, any visit to a gymkhana would illustrate that. However the current tacit approval of general misbehaviour on green lanes on this and other forums would suggest the influence of a more law abiding and generally respectful body of owners wasn't being felt. All I am attempting to do is be clear that this one member of the forum is completely infavour of Ramblers, is committed to open access to the countryside by all and regards fairness and an open minded approach as the most pragmatic way forward.

By way of an anecdote. A couple of years ago I was up at Loch Lomond on the west highland way at Inversnaid. At the Hotel were a small collection of 'Bobblies', if memory serves one was an Oncologist, another grew tomatoes for M&S, another an entrepreneur working in business software his wife was a headmistress in Manchester. Also in the group a JP ( magistrate ), a man who ran a metal pressing plant in the midlands and a guy who drilled for oil offshore in the Fortes. So the 'Bobblies" feed us, educate us, help run our business, deal with our cancers and administer law and order, oh and find the fuel to run the Land Rover if they didn't actually build it. So I might suggest 'Bobblies' have an opinion worth listening too, patiently accommodating and paying the common decency of respect. You can be very sure the 4x4 community will have been afforded more than enough rope by everyone else before lanes started to be shut. Shame is my often most felt emotion reading some of the comments on this forum, like a school report I often feel the off road community could, collectively, do much better and certainly, en masse, doesn't do as well as the sterling example of some individual and outstanding members.

I thought 'the end of history' was Fukuyama, a thesis that Fukuyama himself conceded was incomplete, on the basis there can be no 'end of history' until the actual end of history or in our case the modern sense of history as defined by natural scientists like Darwin. Our own liberal democracy may yet be shaped by our technological evolution i.e. it may not be necessary to argue the merits of off road use if we breed beings with inbuilt 4x4 capacity or, even more unlikely, breed beings with no need to strap a v8 on a lump of steel and use it to get muddy. It may be possible to argue Rawls conclusions as applied in my assertion. However, by limiting the argument to the simple application of this debate: that is the tolerance of intolerance, it has to be pretty much indisputable unless we get into a more broadly ranging conversation on the benefits or otherwise of other systems of government. A dictatorship as argued for by other forum members might be a different way forward. A simplistic interpretation of John Locke's ideas on self preservation and the right to property could be employed against the destruction of green lanes by motorised traffic. Alternatively an application of ideas on human spiritedness as reasoned by Plato and Homer could conclude that mans struggle for recognition and status would be best satisfied by opening the lanes for gladiatorial contest and pitched battle. Then the lanes would be controlled by the last man standing, unhelpful though if your rambler opponent is a SAS bloke out yomping or worse still on a TAB. I'm happy to take a flask of tea and admire the view. Also I am very happy to see lanes used where the wheel pressure of the vehicle doesn't cause any damage, as I often point out. I also believe with deep conviction that the countryside should be open to all, especially those with disabilities and where a universal right of access has been enjoyed that right should not be removed without extremely good reason.

Karl Popper the philosopher asserted in 'The Open Society and its Enemies' that we are correct in refusing to tolerate intolerance. A good start in this debate. John Rowls in his controversial book 'A Theory of Justice' discussed if the intolerant should have a right to complain when they themselves were not tolerated. He concludes, properly I think, that we are right to intolerate the intoleratant when their actions may endanger a tolerant society. Ayn Ryand concludes that attempts to increase tolerance by applying different standards to different groups is ultimately self defeating. Essential tenants of Liberty would suggest that a right given to one should be open to all ( in my view a good argument to end capital punishment ). Notwithstanding all of the above. Two tons of Land Rover will, ultimately, damage any surface not able to bear that kind of pressure. The problem therefore is if damage is to occur where is it acceptable, within what context and how much of that damage should be sustained. I would argue a 4x4 on a hillside trail, country path, green lane is acceptable for: a. the proper business of the land owner or farmer etc. b. rescue or firefighting or similar I don't think the countryside should be used as a recreation area for off road vehicles where damage may occur, FULL STOP, not at all or under any circumstances. If you love the countryside get out and walk. There are many off road centres, country estates, sufficiently metalled roads where a 4x4 can be enjoyed without damaging anything or where a fee, proportionate to the damage likely to be endured and the consequent cost of repair and maintenance, can be paid. However, I would also argue that were there is an establish right of access absolutely every possible alternative must be tested before closure is proposed. Informal groups maintaining paths, formal intervention by county councils, government assistance, even ( good marketing angle here ) the manufacturers of chelsea tractors digging into their own pockets to help fund repairs ( cancer wards sponsored by Bensen and Hedges anyone ? ). The point being where there is a right that right must be exercised and protected. Close the lanes and what comes next ? So in a sound bite: 4x4 recreational users ( misguided though they may be ) should be tolerated and their past time respected provided that they clean up afterwards and don't scare the horses. Fair ?

Please post away, although be mindful I haven't asked the mighty Runrig for their permission to use the song, copyright law being what it is. I'm a big fan of their music, natural Land Rover Defender soundtrack.

On me soap box The video was made on the strip of dirt that runs from the road to my house, it's not a green lane, so technically I'm not green laning. As an insight that strip of dirt cost about £ 1,000 a year to maintain, it swallows aggregate, so you could say I do have a slight bias toward those who might act to prevent green lane use, especially if the cost of maintenance falls to them.

I made this > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms2oe0kwY-o I expect derision, that's fine, I just got tired of the number of twats energetic members of the 4x4 community on green lanes outnumbering the number of folks who just took it gentle and enjoyed the view > and just to make matters worse please find enclosed a thread I posted on another section of this forum. Enjoy; I'm really cautious to wade in here ... especially as my previous contributions to the green laning, off road, recreational use of 4x4's outside of pay and play sites got moderated out of existence ... The use of green lanes by 4x4's is not, in itself, a bad thing. Access to the countryside by all should be encouraged, active involvement in the great outdoors is healthy for each of us and for our culture. Responsible use of 4x4's as part of the enjoyment of our nations spectacular beauty should also be welcomed, the inaccessible becomes accessible, positive benefits accrue in terms of helping monitor responsible stewardship, spotting pollution problems, being able to assist with injured livestock, report damage to infrastructure etc etc Green lanes shouldn't be hidden away for fear of inappropriate use, however, being aware that some drivers will behave irresponsibly will help formulate a response that does not necessarily require outright banning. The right to use these lanes is, after-all, an established right granted to generations. I have a definite knee jerk reaction to any superannuated official ( who's wages I sweat to pay ) telling me a freedom is being withdrawn because of some additional mud being churned. Lets deal with the mud without infringing liberty, it may be harder to do, but it's the right thing to do. As a very small example, in my grumpy old man way trawling through youtube when I find something especially offensive and reckless I post two paragraphs of advice condensed from the Glass recommendations. The length of each paragraph is dictated by the youtube 500 word maximum. It's not much, but it does help flag the issue to drivers who may not be thinking about the wider implications of their actions. I know it looks daft and it feels pretty stupid to post on youtube, I'm certainly not happy about becoming a grumpy old git, but in faith I really couldn't sit back and do absolutely nothing. Here, just incase anyone wants to join the rising tide against irresponsible use of green lanes, is the text, I'd urge you to post it. If nothing else just so I don't have to feel like a total prat. Use only rights of way with known, proven or provable vehicular rights. Keep to the defined track. Detour only to pass immovable obstructions. Travel at a quiet and unobtrusive pace and as slowly as practicable; a maximum of 12 mph when in a 4x4 and on an Unsurfaced Right of Way (URoW). Ensure your vehicle is fully road-legal, URoW are subject to the same laws as surfaced roads. When travelling in groups, keep to a small number - four or less. Do not travel on URoW when they risk being affected beyond a point of natural recovery. Do not use URoW that maybe damaged by the wheel pressure applied by your vehicle. Avoid damage to trees, hedgerows and boundaries. Some roads carry vehicular rights but are physically too narrow for 4x4s. Do not practice recovery techniques on any URoW. Be courteous to other road users. Remember that wildlife faces many threats and URoW are valuable habitats. Glass-Uk.org

Heading for another moderated out of existence thread here, Forestgrump has Sunday off and makes a right pain of himself. I couldn't care less about green laning, I don't, I won't, it's a very very dull way to spend an afternoon. BUT. There is an established, historical, meaningful right to use these green lanes, generations have enjoyed that right, generations to come should enjoy that right. Totally and absolutely free of hindrance from the establishment. Men have endured slavery, partition, enclosure and death to live free with liberty in this ridiculously small and overcrowded island. To give up rights that mean something just because of a few selfish, ignorant, unfortunates is obscene. However, green lanes are fragile, need to be protected and should be policed. Rather than hide them away have a thousand youtube video's glorying in the fantastic qualities of green lanes and encouraging all users to respect and care for them. Grow the debate, grow the awareness, enlarge every life. Show the way in which the green lanes are used with integrity, care, responsibility. Prove that your rights that are enshrined are worth fighting for by everyone, not just everyone with a ridiculous Land Rover / Toyota / Suzuki / Unimog / Frankenstein hybrid. Write to your MP, inform your local papers, lead exemplary lives, make a positive contribution, in short PROVE that men in land rovers on green lanes are an asset to our ( greater ) community. We are a society of tool using, pattern recognising, language equipped apes, our motivations and behaviour are not that hard to understand or that hard to influence. See the monkey driving badly, then report him ( or her ) pretty soon being an a***hole 4x4 driver will be as unpopular as an unpopular thing. Easy. The people causing the damage are probably all driving MOT failures, living with ASBO's, cheating on the social security, uninsured, unwaged, undesirable and at war with their ( probably very reasonable ) neighbours anyway, in short NO-ONE will mind when they get shut down, fined, jailed and otherwise evicted from their unwashed and antisocial lives. Might even get a round of applause. It just takes concerted, consistent, informed, enlightened, persistent, co-ordinated and co-operative work. Enough said Looking forward to my second closed thread x PS. If you have an ASBO I'm sorry if I have offended or in any way infringed your moral, human, civic, creative, copyrighted or just imagined rights in any way. pps. if you like mud, pay and play

Would be nice if PROPORTION and PRIVILEGE had gone through the spell checker. Honestly, the suits at Whitehall must laugh themselves stupid. lok unuver pertitun frum them 4x4 bouys, bettur file it in ther rownd filin cabinett murkd rubbish There is a sound constitutional argument for retaining access to green lanes. Unfortunately all the people clever enough to actually make that argument at a level that counts; a. own the land b. make the laws that govern the land c. get paid a fortune ( by virtue of their capacity to hold a simple thought in their heads for more than 40 seconds ) by a. and b. ( see above ) so really couldn't care less about rest of us I despair Time to buy some sturdy boots and join the Ramblers

I'm really cautious to wade in here ... especially as my previous contributions to the green laning, off road, recreational use of 4x4's outside of pay and play sites got moderated out of existence ... The use of green lanes by 4x4's is not, in itself, a bad thing. Access to the countryside by all should be encouraged, active involvement in the great outdoors is healthy for each of us and for our culture. Responsible use of 4x4's as part of the enjoyment of our nations spectacular beauty should also be welcomed, the inaccessible becomes accessible, positive benefits accrue in terms of helping monitor responsible stewardship, spotting pollution problems, being able to assist with injured livestock, report damage to infrastructure etc etc Green lanes shouldn't be hidden away for fear of inappropriate use, however, being aware that some drivers will behave irresponsibly will help formulate a response that does not necessarily require outright banning. The right to use these lanes is, after-all, an established right granted to generations. I have a definite knee jerk reaction to any superannuated official ( who's wages I sweat to pay ) telling me a freedom is being withdrawn because of some additional mud being churned. Lets deal with the mud without infringing liberty, it may be harder to do, but it's the right thing to do. As a very small example, in my grumpy old man way trawling through youtube when I find something especially offensive and reckless I post two paragraphs of advice condensed from the Glass recommendations. The length of each paragraph is dictated by the youtube 500 word maximum. It's not much, but it does help flag the issue to drivers who may not be thinking about the wider implications of their actions. I know it looks daft and it feels pretty stupid to post on youtube, I'm certainly not happy about becoming a grumpy old git, but in faith I really couldn't sit back and do absolutely nothing. Here, just incase anyone wants to join the rising tide against irresponsible use of green lanes, is the text, I'd urge you to post it. If nothing else just so I don't have to feel like a total prat. Use only rights of way with known, proven or provable vehicular rights. Keep to the defined track. Detour only to pass immovable obstructions. Travel at a quiet and unobtrusive pace and as slowly as practicable; a maximum of 12 mph when in a 4x4 and on an Unsurfaced Right of Way (URoW). Ensure your vehicle is fully road-legal, URoW are subject to the same laws as surfaced roads. When travelling in groups, keep to a small number - four or less. Do not travel on URoW when they risk being affected beyond a point of natural recovery. Do not use URoW that maybe damaged by the wheel pressure applied by your vehicle. Avoid damage to trees, hedgerows and boundaries. Some roads carry vehicular rights but are physically too narrow for 4x4s. Do not practice recovery techniques on any URoW. Be courteous to other road users. Remember that wildlife faces many threats and URoW are valuable habitats. Glass-Uk.org

Copyright in Photographs > This is simple as set out in the 1988 Copyright Act the Copyright is automatically granted to the creator of the image, the photographer. After that the photographer can assign, give away, donate, sell, do pretty much what he or she wants. The copyright does not belong to the commissioning party unless explicitly agreed beforehand. Copyright Law is powerful stuff , I won a very nice Omega Moonwatch with the proceeds of a recent breach of copyright claim .... I've named it after the muppet advertising agency that stole my photo ...... Of course you'll need to establish the value of your snap to a judge, you can't just make up a number ...... Alternatively you could claim damages ( again you'll need to prove a value ) or get the photo removed from wherever it has popped up. Given the aggro involved you'd need to be a really dedicated to kick up a fuss about a smudge on a LR forum

Aye Bob, you can lock yourself out, you and everyone else. Not necessarily a bad thing in the parts of London, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle, Leeds, Bristol, Glasgow that my 90 gets to visit. Sometimes appreciation for Solihull's best product can be extended to long periods of unauthorised borrowing. Good locks ( or just locks ) help moderate temptation. You can always keep the lock key with your ignition key, presuming your land rover needs one, I used to have a Jeep Wrangler that didn't no roof or doors either, I think it was the 8 mpg on a 4.2ltr 6 that kept it from being stolen ............

You need a little packing to get the bracket to fit the inside of the defender. The Block Lock is designed as a removable fixture for a van door, but adapts ok to bolt into the vehicle frame on a defender. You may be able to fabricate a neater L section, mine is just as supplied plus a wedge of packing.

Block Lock from Era, modified to bolt directly to the door frame. Not a big deal for the determined thief but, hopefully, a pause for thought for the opportunist. I've fitted three, all keyed alike, cost £ 22 each from www.buylocks.co.uk. Two drawbacks: it does make the door fit slightly tighter, so a heavy slam is required to close ( until the door seal compresses ) It collects mud when off road, I use a thick rubber band to keep the muck out ! 4 images

I stand corrected many thanks..........