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Actually it means 3 people, 2x competitors "known as a team" and 1x official!!=3! Definition of a Challenge Event is; (k) Challenge Event. An event the aim of which is for competitors to manoeuvre their vehicles to a remote location by means of driving, towing and or winching, or any combination thereof and where proof of visiting that location is by way of the scorecard, which shall be permanently attached to the vehicle, being officially marked. And yes you need to either have a minimum of an official per objective or per team. Self Recovery off section. See P1.2.1. P1.2.1. With the exception of Team and Winch Recovery events, all recovery operations will be under the control of the Clerk of the Course. Now strictly speaking we should add Challenge Events to P1.2.1. to cover sefl recovery on section. We havent proposed Punch Hunt as such but to cater for events where winches arent required the following is about to go out for consultation; (b) Cross Country Orienteering. An event involving a cross country map reading exercise where the use of a vehicle is merely incidental as a means of transport,and in which the experience or skill of a Driver plays no part. navigating and driving a vehicle to an objective, or series of objectives. This you will note is an amendment to the Orienteering Regulations. Essentially then a Challenge is an extreme version of Orienteering where objectives may not always be reached by unassisted driving. The revisisons to Orienteering allow for an event where comnpetitors can drive directly to the objective.

Thats an awfull lot to look at, and a huge responcability! I wonder if MSA scrutaneers will have to be used??

Other competitors are also excluded!!! Just the 2 x crew and the 1x official are allowed!

Here's a reply from Ian for a question i posed. I read this as we need a lot more marchells on events!!!!!!! Or a lot less Punches Dear Dave Winches are not to used or deployed unless in an area made safe and under the direct control of an official of the event. Punch Hunt type events are not Challenge Events per say and indeed this is where a lot of confusion is. The Cross Country Committee is currently preparing amendments to the Orienteering regulations which will allow for a Punch Hunt type of event although the purpose of the event is to navigate and drive to the objectives. If the event requires the use of a winch then it is to be in an area exclusively for that purpose and suitably taped. The reduction in the area when using a synthetic rope is in respect of the area to the side of the winch deployment and behind. There is no formula but that of common sense. The objective of the area is to exclude persons other than the competing crew and officials from the potential whip of a failed winch cable. Since a synthetic rope tends to discard stored energy with less drama and has little or no whip, the area behind the vehicle and to the sides may be reduced accordingly. Regards Ian R Davis Regional, Rallies & Cross Country Executive The Royal Automobile Club Motor Sports Association Limited DDI 01753 765039 www.msauk.org MOTOR SPORTS HOUSE I RIVERSIDE PARK I COLNBROOK I SL3 0HG I ENGLAND TEL: 01753 765000 FAX: 01753 682938 To help protect our environment, please don't print this email unless you really need to. This e-mail is confidential. If you are not the addressee or authorised recipient, any distribution, copying, publication or use of this information for any purpose is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message. Please note all telephone calls are recorded for training and monitoring purposes. Internet communications are not secure and therefore MSA does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MSA. Precautions have been taken to ensure that this message and any attachments are free from viruses. However, no warranty is given that the message is in fact virus-free and it is recommended that all incoming e-mails are scanned by appropriate software. REGISTERED OFFICE AS ABOVE. REGISTERED NUMBER 1344829 ENGLAND -----Original Message----- From: Dave Ellard [mailto:dave@rngp.org] Sent: 16 August 2010 21:35 To: Ian Davis Cc: Dave Middleton; Ian Potts Subject: Re: Challenge rules changes Please can you answer a queary i have. Basicly we seem to be more and more Just hang punches on trees, not using any tape,or boundries at all, and just letting the competitors find there own way too and away from the punch the best way they think is appropriate. How will this work with the steel cable rule?????? . Also when u say "if synthetic rope is specified in the sr's then this distance may be reduced" what sort og reduction do u have in mind???

The new rules seem to state 1 isolator for all electrics! P58.2.4. Isolate all electrical circuits. If you have an electrical winch then yes that includes that. We haven't specified that the kill switch must be to K8, and yes you need to use an appropriate rated switch that is wired to do that job. 2011 regs link

Thank for all the info So what switch will best suit challenge trucks so they comply with the new MSA regd for jan 2011. Basicly it has to cut all electrical power, including all winches, and kill the engine.

Anyone know how much amperage a winch will pull??? and is there a cutout switch rated hi enough???? what about multi motored winches "gigglepins" other brands are valable?? what do these draw???? Also do all winches come with overload safty's ????

I am but there seems to be 2 different tyres used, a push in socket, and a pendant thing

Having seen these used i was wondering how good they are, and what people's experiances of them are??

Chris ur priceless

Anyone bring a camera Sounds like a cracking weekend , that i missed out on

I asked, but most we curing mechanical problems, cutting bitz off, welding bitz on, had no drive, no winches working, or just doing other stuff

Goodluck to all enterants, dont drink too much will u

LRS Round 4 (coney Green) Weekend Went well,BBQ, football on telly, A beverage or 2 , O and some driving and winching too LRS Challenge stuff/ Pictures

Maybe 2 more on monday, lrs challenge brakages willing

Why were u trying to push that tree over with ur door anyway

Well it ran, so u must have done a reasonable job in ur sleep . Coney will be next in a few weeks, may i suggest u get a tent & some beer, & some bbq food and stay saterday night like the rest of us

The LRS challenge Priceless

loads of LRS Challenge pictures avalable here!! The Linal crew decided they felt sorry for u, so ditched the front prop to give u a chance . ps ur eyes should be at the front of ur face, not the back

Well where all ready, just a winch solinoid, and a nice yellow ribbon fitted so hopefully u wont have to winch us around the punches all day , kim ant even bothered to wash it,(mind u his drive could do with rotervating at the rate he's going he's going to need even bigger tyres just to get onto the drive

Anyone got any pictures??

Well thats all down to young tyrone, maybe hes refering to his truck, as ge seemed to have BUGGERED it up a bit at the last challenge

Phill is! its only a smack wagon, not a bloody "all u can eat for a £5er"

MOC Challenge series, winchcombe pictures Here Results Here.

Places are limated for the next round,End of month at yarwell, so if u want to come play best get finger out O and there will be a snack wagon on site for ur breakfast, lunch, and mid afternoon snack Pre booked in Marchells get concessions, but over half already filled Book here!