sheeppimp Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 From a suspention lift i would like to gain more articulation and a tad more ground clearance, but most of all get my wheels and tyers away from the wheel arch. the pannel is digging into my tyers and taking quite reasonable size chunks out of them. I dont want a huge lift just a couple of inches would (should) do the trick. if i got a defender id have road tax to pay though. i was going to get one until i saw this series for sale. im not to bothered about the front, i have plenty of clearance its just the rear is chewing up my tyers. i really dont want to start cutting pannels though. Since the main issue is bodywork/tyre interface the logical solution is to trim the bodywork (or fit smaller tyres ) Far simpler, not going bring in any other problems and won't cost anything other than a bit of time Why don't you want to trim panels?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6cyltdi Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 what size tyres are you running and what type of rim..............????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbe Posted May 15, 2008 Author Share Posted May 15, 2008 Set of parabolics and a set of extended shackles is what i have on mine, had to put 90 arches on but im running 35 12.50 15 mud terrains and wheel spacers so needed to keep it legal(ish). Use the military long shackles at the front so you dont bind up the prop shaft uj and make some up for the rear out of good strong plate or bar i went another inch and a half @ the rear and have only small amounts of under arch scrubbing when at full articulation the fronts dont articulate half as well as the rear so rubbing in the arches isnt usually the issue but tyres rubbing springs on full lock can damage tyre sidewalls hence spacers or offset rims im not sure what wheels are on it, all i know is there on offset rims. do you have any pictures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbe Posted May 15, 2008 Author Share Posted May 15, 2008 what size tyres are you running and what type of rim..............????? im not to sure about the size of tyre but i know there on offset rims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro_Al Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 Why don't you try reading the information on the side of the tyre, and measuring the dimensions of the wheel rim? As has been said, you don't sound like you need to go crazy. Either just trim the wheel arches a bit or throw on some extended shackles and see how you get on. Both dead cheap solutions. Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6cyltdi Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 Standard rims should sort it then...? only reason it will be biting is the rims.... No pics of the acctual suspension yet but will post asap.... Series three with 265/75/r16 alligators on standard rims with parabolics and military shackles couldn't get tyres to rub.... And series 2 with 245/75/r16's in 1" offset rims, couldn't get it too rub.....? Can't try and give an exact solution without knowing exactly what your running.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6cyltdi Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 Here's my home-made shackles, I have a full set on new unused military shackles for sale if your interested...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6cyltdi Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 This is a standard shackle SWB... military shackles and parabolics will give you a couple inches lift and give a good bit of articulation....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbe Posted May 20, 2008 Author Share Posted May 20, 2008 Here's my home-made shackles,I have a full set on new unused military shackles for sale if your interested...? Yes very interested. how much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbe Posted May 20, 2008 Author Share Posted May 20, 2008 This is a standard shackle SWB... military shackles and parabolics will give you a couple inches lift and give a good bit of articulation....? [/quote As you can see i dont have much clearence at the front of the rear arch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6cyltdi Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 Make me an offer + postage........???? Take minuites to make with 10mm flat bar some small pipe as spacers, Bolts A drill and grinder....??? Up to you...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6cyltdi Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 Those re-molds will be slightly bigger than a new tyre, I was running similar size tyres and rims with no probs BFG 245/75r16 track-edges on inch offset rims, much and such what you are running, and i had standard suspension.... The clearance at the front there shouldn't matter as when the axle articulates the wheel will go backwards and thus further away from where its close to...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6cyltdi Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 See my first post on this topic, see how close my tyres are to binding and how much clearance i have at the back, this is as the wheel goes back and up at the same time.... So yours shouldn't pose a problem, unless you just want a lift anyways....? diesel6cyl@hotmail.co.uk (MSN) If you want any help when im online Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 6cylTDi - there's some interesting mods there. With the parabolics and extended shackles it look like you have about a 6-inch lift, is that right? Have you got wheel spacers or anything like that to compensate for the additional height of your truck? The front crossmember you have altered - is it supported at all on that side now and do you get any problems with the chassis rails flexing if it isn't ? Did you have any problems connecting the PAS box to the wheels, how did you do it? Thanks. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill van snorkle Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Because shackles are only at one end of the spring a 2'' longer shackle will only increase the bump stop clearance by 1'', and that is only if the shackle angle was vertical.It will depend on the condition of your existing springs,but If your standard shackle angle is around 45 degrees then the gain probably will be less. It may be an optical illusion, but I've seen this many times before where people have fitted excessively long shackles, usually to compensate for shagged springs.The rear spring eye on 6cylTDI's super long shackle vehicle appears to be at about the same height as the axle centre height, yet the height of the spring eye on the photo of the standard SWB is above the axle centreline, so it would appear that departure angle, which on a SWB is the rear spring eye has actually deteriorated. perhaps the extra leverage of the longer shackles bends the rear half of the spring a little more? I'd also imagine that rear end sway would be greater with those long shackles. Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBorges Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 I think this is the Series most modified in Portugal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6cyltdi Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 6cylTDi - there's some interesting mods there.With the parabolics and extended shackles it look like you have about a 6-inch lift, is that right? Have you got wheel spacers or anything like that to compensate for the additional height of your truck? The front crossmember you have altered - is it supported at all on that side now and do you get any problems with the chassis rails flexing if it isn't ? Did you have any problems connecting the PAS box to the wheels, how did you do it? Thanks. Les. Not quite 6" but not far off, no i don't have wheel spacers on but there is a massive 10" offset on my custom made wheels which is more than ample to get full lock with 40" tyres, new axles will be here this week anyway. The front crossmember is not supported and there is some flex in the chassis at the moment however i have 8" OD 6mm wall steel pipe thats getting welded in between the front spring hangers after they have been modified which will act as my bumper too. PAS isn't conected yet it will be a hydro assist set up everythings ready for it just need the axles.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6cyltdi Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Because shackles are only at one end of the spring a 2'' longer shackle will only increase the bump stop clearance by 1'', and that is only if the shackle angle was vertical.It will depend on the condition of your existing springs,but If your standard shackle angle is around 45 degrees then the gain probably will be less. It may be an optical illusion, but I've seen this many times before where people have fitted excessively long shackles, usually to compensate for shagged springs.The rear spring eye on 6cylTDI's super long shackle vehicle appears to be at about the same height as the axle centre height, yet the height of the spring eye on the photo of the standard SWB is above the axle centreline, so it would appear that departure angle, which on a SWB is the rear spring eye has actually deteriorated. perhaps the extra leverage of the longer shackles bends the rear half of the spring a little more? I'd also imagine that rear end sway would be greater with those long shackles.Bill. No there is a definate good increase in height and articulation. The sway was terrible previously and is a bit worse now, once the gas shocks are on that should be cured a bit. The articulation is pretty damn good tho better than most lifted 90's and 110's around here and yes the departure angle is a bit less soon bump over things tho. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbe Posted May 21, 2008 Author Share Posted May 21, 2008 Make me an offer + postage........???? Take minuites to make with 10mm flat bar some small pipe as spacers, Bolts A drill and grinder....??? Up to you...? Ill just buy them off you if you dont mind. Where abouts are you from? might be able to come pick them up. last time i used a grinder on little things like that the disk snapped and ended up in my leg... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6cyltdi Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Ill just buy them off you if you dont mind. Where abouts are you from? might be able to come pick them up. last time i used a grinder on little things like that the disk snapped and ended up in my leg... I'm IV36 postcode, and i'm approx 25 miles east of Inverness. I wouldn't be able to send them untill next week at some point so will find out postage costs and let you know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 How do gas shocks reduce or prevent rear end sway? Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6cyltdi Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Guaranteed to be better than the scaby knackered old ones i pulled of and alot better than none lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbe Posted May 21, 2008 Author Share Posted May 21, 2008 I'm IV36 postcode, and i'm approx 25 miles east of Inverness. I wouldn't be able to send them untill next week at some point so will find out postage costs and let you know... ahh nowhere near me then.. im from brotton (near middlesbrough). Thats fine just let me know. my e mail is broughton69@hotmail.comor just leave me a msg on here. thanks alot, it might solve my problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6cyltdi Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Heres 265/75r16's on the back of my series with parabolics and military shackles. And here's 245/75r16s on 1" offset rims with standard springs and shackles. Niether ever fowled..... 245/75r16's and inch offset is much and such the same as you are running... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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