Tom.H Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Hi I am about to buy some harnesses for my vehicle. For MSA speed events (Safari / XTC) what are the regulations?? Do the actual belts need to be MSA or FIA spec? What's the minimum width for the chest and lap belt? Cheers Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothy Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Why not read or check the MSA regs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nik 1 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 hope this helps, by the way all three point harness' have been banned for speed events 57.2.1. All vehicles must comply with K.2.1.2, K.3.1.2 (not plumbed in), K.5, K.6, K.8. 2.1. All seat safety belts must be must be complete units sourced from a recognised manufacturer and fitted in accordance with the manufacturers instructions, MSA recommendations or FIA requirements. (See FIA Drawing Nos. 253–42, 253–43, 253–44 and 253–45) Seat belts, in the following specified configurations, must be worn and be correctly adjusted at all times during events: 2.1.1. Three point. One diagonal shoulder strap and one lap strap, with three anchorage points on the chassis/body shell or roll over bar of the vehicle on either side and to the rear of the driver’s seat. 2.1.2. Four point. Two shoulder straps and one lap strap, with four anchorage points on the chassis/body shell or roll over bar of the vehicle. One either side of the driver and two to the rear of the driver’s seat. 2.1.3. Six point. Two shoulder straps, one lap strap and two straps between the legs, with six anchorage points on the chassis/body shell or roll over bar of the vehicle. One either side of the driver, two to the rear of the driver’s seat (or one symmetrical for the two shoulder straps) and two between the legs. 2.1.4. Where safety harnesses are mandatory it is recommended that those described in 2.1.2. and 2.1.3. are homologated by the FIA and carry their label. 2.1.5. It is permitted to make a hole in series production seats to allow secure anchoring of seat belts. 2.1.6. All seat belts used on International events must be homologated by the FIA, and carry their label. 2.1.7. It is not permitted to mix parts of seat belts. Only complete sets as supplied by manufacturers should be used. 2.1.8. Only one release mechanism is permitted on each seat belt configuration and this must be available for the wearer to operate whilst seated in the competing position. 2.1.9. The anchorage points to the rear should be positioned so that the strap from the shoulder is as near horizontal as possible. It should not be located on the floor directly behind the driver/co-driver. 2.1.10. Seat belts once involved in a serious accident should be discarded as they are likely to have stretched. Belts subjected to oil, acid or heat should be replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Webster Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 In my mind for off road speed events you really want 75mm harnesses. Makes sense to get FIA but don't necessarily need to be in-date in the UK. One thing I would avoid is buying second hand, you never really know the history and as it says belts stretch in an accident! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j90 mud Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 depending on the regs most clubs used to accept 50mm eg 2 inch widebelts. some now ask for 3 inch shoulder belts and 2 inch lap belts.this is what we run in all the cars we use off road. you also need to be able to unlock them when you are hanging upside down etc easily after an off.not all belts release easily as we found out last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nik 1 Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 In my mind for off road speed events you really want 75mm harnesses. Makes sense to get FIA but don't necessarily need to be in-date in the UK. One thing I would avoid is buying second hand, you never really know the history and as it says belts stretch in an accident! Spoke to Mr Palmer( A MSA scrutineer) and for speed events FIA harnesses must be in date .nik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Webster Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 I'm certainly not going to argue with such an authority as Vic or his son, but I genuinely didn't think that was the case. I bought some homologated in-date harnesses to compete in France where they are mandatory as well as for international events in the UK, but I believe my old belts remain fine for club events here, right up to National A level. My understanding seems to tally with the blue book snippet above. Rally events are different and do require in date harnesses. Note that the snippet posted here is only the general harness reg and needs to be read in conjunction with the technical part of the off road regs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nik 1 Posted September 4, 2010 Share Posted September 4, 2010 I'm certainly not going to argue with such an authority as Vic or his son, but I genuinely didn't think that was the case. I bought some homologated in-date harnesses to compete in France where they are mandatory as well as for international events in the UK, but I believe my old belts remain fine for club events here, right up to National A level. My understanding seems to tally with the blue book snippet above. Rally events are different and do require in date harnesses. Note that the snippet posted here is only the general harness reg and needs to be read in conjunction with the technical part of the off road regs. hi I'm currently training as a scrutineer under Vic and you are right and was misinformed by Mark on Thursday or i asked the question wrongly most likely. 57.2.1. All vehicles must comply with K.2.1.2, K.3.1.2 (not plumbed in), K.5, K.6, K.8. this is from cross country events , technical regulations , all vehicles , to find the other regs . 2.1.2. Four point. Two shoulder straps and one lap strap, with four anchorage points on the chassis/body shell or roll over bar of the vehicle. One either side of the driver and two to the rear of the driver’s seat. witch there is no mention of dates . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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