ginger4x4 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Hi to all I have a P38 and im slowly changing it to become a expedition vehicle however I which to install a winch, rock slides and back bumper.... Does anyone know of a company / individual who can help / manufactures such items regards Ginger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 where are you based? Winch is best achieved with custom front bumper. LR mount is useless as it sticks out too far. Make sure you put good recovery points in front bumper. It's possible to get a very neat install with good approach angles. Someone like Carl at Digger 4x4 may be a good option as he seems happy to do custom work. Personally, I think the rear bumper is good as is and can be improved with some trimming of lower section. It's a very solid unit and by modifying rear exhausts you get a good departure angle. If you have a LR tow bar, you can use a Type II receiver as a recovery point or like I did, just simply put a decent Jate ring in for a rear recovery point. Side bars can be made to bolt on as there are some existing holes in the chassis that work well. Designed well you won't lose any ground clearance and make sure that they come out far enough to account for the curvature in the sides of the RR. I would recommend that you guard fuel tank as it's vulnerable to being hit and I understand that Southdown 4x4 do diff guards. Cheers Steve some pics.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginger4x4 Posted September 18, 2008 Author Share Posted September 18, 2008 Hi to allI have a P38 and im slowly changing it to become a expedition vehicle however I which to install a winch, rock slides and back bumper.... Does anyone know of a company / individual who can help / manufactures such items regards Ginger Thanks steve im in Kent would you have Digger 4x4 tel no? regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q-rover Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Southdown do a front axelguard, but won't sell their tank guard in the UK. Bearmach do a simple rear diffguard. As for the rest, either have a thick wallet or good fabrication skills. For some idea of what can be done, look here and on rangerovers.net There is a thread about making a DII ARB bumper fit without too much work, and it looks good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Attryde Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Thanks steveim in Kent would you have Digger 4x4 tel no? regards Carls company Golddigger 4x4:- Clicky. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Carls company Golddigger 4x4:- Clicky.Pete Thanks Pete, it helps more if you get the name right! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
996TURBO Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 where are you based?Winch is best achieved with custom front bumper. LR mount is useless as it sticks out too far. Make sure you put good recovery points in front bumper. It's possible to get a very neat install with good approach angles. Someone like Carl at Digger 4x4 may be a good option as he seems happy to do custom work. Personally, I think the rear bumper is good as is and can be improved with some trimming of lower section. It's a very solid unit and by modifying rear exhausts you get a good departure angle. If you have a LR tow bar, you can use a Type II receiver as a recovery point or like I did, just simply put a decent Jate ring in for a rear recovery point. Side bars can be made to bolt on as there are some existing holes in the chassis that work well. Designed well you won't lose any ground clearance and make sure that they come out far enough to account for the curvature in the sides of the RR. I would recommend that you guard fuel tank as it's vulnerable to being hit and I understand that Southdown 4x4 do diff guards. Cheers Steve some pics.. Hi Steve, I can remember your truck, i had seen on rangerovers.net For info, what size of tires are you running? Did Carl make your front bumper? For other ideas look at www.rockrover.com not rackrover Very good job but doesn't send to Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 tyres were 255/85 16's BFG MT's No Carl didn't make my bumper, I suggested him as I know he does custom work and to a good quality. The bumper was made by a friend who happens to be a craftsman when it comes to fabrication. Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 No Carl didn't make my bumper, I suggested him as I know he does custom work and to a good quality. Seems that Carl has shut down Gliddigger4x4 for now. Another place to try is North Off Road. they have done custom bumpers and rear cross members before. Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q-rover Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 I have contacted all the fabricators I could find via mags etc, mainly using email but also phoning those that wouldn't answer, and have yet to find someone that is willing to make stuff for a Range Rover LP. But that probably has to do with the fact that I (and my vehicle) am in Norway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escape Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 It is possible to modify a winchbumper for a Classic to fit a P38a. This would however require removal of the crash cans between chassis and bumper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q-rover Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 There is a thread about making a DII ARB bumper fit without too much work, and itlooks good. And it keeps the crushcans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 And it keeps the crushcans. Personally I don't see much point in doing that on an off road bumper. Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q-rover Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Well the crush cans are there to perform a function. This is related to the deployment of the airbag(s). As the vehicle has airbags fitted and the only safe way to immobilize them is to remove the explosive charge, and the fact that deployment outside the design parameters can kill a person, then why not keep them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 The crush cans are there as part of the frontal impact absorption. They are there to perform a number of functions, for example energy absorption in higher speed impacts, better pedestrian safety, less damage in low speed collisions (insurance cost) etc. etc. The SRS deployment is based on 3 sensors. two in the front bumper that measure acceleration/deceleration and a mid mounted sensor for side to side movement. The crush cans are not linked to any of the sensors and the sensors are not dependent on the crush cans for operation. In a frontal impact the airbags will release if certain sensor conditions are met. In fact, having a solid bumper would increase the reaction time as there is less energy absorption and the air bags would deploy a fraction earlier than a standard bumper with crash cans. It is also true then that there will be slightly lees speed needed to get the same acceleration properties in a sensor as a car fitted with crush cans. From personal experience I know that you have to have quite an impact to activate the airbags on a P38 RR. It's more than most off road knocks a bumper is going to take. Having the crushcans left on allows a solid bumper to deform back into the bodywork causing lots of potantial damage, especially if it was one with bull bars on. For this reason, I don't see the point in keeping the crush cans if you plan to off road a lot. Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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