Cornish Rattler
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Removed the engine, bulkhead and gearbox today the on Monday I am going to remove the axles and cut the chassis up ready for the scrapman, pics to follow
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Made another start on the 2a last weekend, split the roof from the sides and after lifting the roof off I removed the sides then undid the tub ready for when some came home from work to give us a lift to remove it off the chassis then son on his day off yesterday removed the front wings, this weekend I am hoping to get it to a bare chassis ready for the scrap man
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We are thinking of getting the 2a bulkhead galved once it's been repaired, looking at using a firm called classic bulkheads anyone used them ?
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So is the Defender engine for sale with all associated bits? or are you swapping all the parts over?? Would possible be interested in the defender engine bits if they are up for grabs.
Jon
Hi Jon
Sorry we mite be fitting it into the s11a now once the engine is sorted as I bought a disco 200 for the 90 at the weekend and have been told it was fully recond two years ago so once I have part stripped the disco engine over to see if it has we will get the def engine done and put it in the s11a
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If you are putting the 300 tdi onto an LT77 gearbox, you will need to also budget for an offside conversion engine mount that fits around the oil filter.
Mo
Cheers for that Mo but i am staying with my old plan and using a disco 200tdi instead, I found out that Steve Parker do a conversion mount kit for the 300tdi into a 4 cyl chassis which gave me the idea of going with a 300tdi but although they are a more refined engine to the 200tdi they do have a couple of issues that crop up from time to time which the 200tdi doesn't so i have decided to go with the disco 200tdi now
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Standard LT77 on a 2.5TD or NAD may or may not foul the fan - I've done this conversion a few times and it varies. It is easily possible to trim the blades if it does - use a die grinder and patience. Also if you turn the shroud upside down, with some care you can trim it to fit and work.
Don't bother using the 300 rad. Use a 200 Disco rad and surround - it the same thing as on a defender but needs a little fettling. Get a brass/copper rad and re-core it. Shave the top of the surround and use the 300 intercooler - this makes fitting charge pipes easier. The Steve Parker downpipe is an eyesore. You can make one up to fit with a TD5 down pipe and some patience - cut a flange from thick steel
Are ok i don't have anything to compare it with anyway so i will just have to deal with that issue when the new engine is in place and ive got a couple of spare fans just incase, the fan that comes with the engine, the old 200 fan that was on the def engine when i got it and a 300 fan that i am using on the def engine now.
There isn't a shroud on the rad, the truck is already running a newish 200 rad assuming its a def one with 300 intercooler as i had the 300 intercooler as a spare as the one that was already fitted had a lot of damaged fins but the new engine comes with a rad and intercooler so if the intercooler is ok i will wash in out and re-use it.
The Steve Parker down pipe will just have to do as i can't weld although i was rather hoping the disco 200 down pipe would have done the job but it looks like it won't, i did have an S.P. down pipe on my s11a swb disco 200 shaped slightly different but seemed ok to me, payday can't come quick enough now
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If it's the original gearbox it's the short bellhousing type
Are brilliant that's great news, i am hoping to buy a disco 200tdi engine this weekend coming all being well and its just round the corner from me aswell
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As per my reply to your PM, the discovery 200tdi fan does not foul the steering box in any way shape or form when using the short bellhousing LT77 in the original position
Are sorry forgot about my pm to you, right i am not really sure what bellhousing i have got on mine but its still on its original LT77 from when it was a 2.5TD if that helps
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Could be the front radius arm or the read trailing arm bushes, engine / g/box mounts worth a look aswell
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Rattler, I would be inclined to agree with Mike and David above.
However if you do decide to replace your engine I would be interested in your old tired defender lump as spares for mine if you have no further use for it.
Mo
Ok i will let you no
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Okay...
I'm thinking change the timing chest (and do all the associated stuff at the same time) one weekend
Back pressure can be loads of things - some as simple as remembering that the oil separator is a service item. But even a hone and new rings is only a two day job in a garage. Could be a head gasket just starting to go...
What I'm getting at, is this is a known lump. You buy a second hand Disco lump and all the associated gear to fit it; you are still buying an unknown lump - so 10k down the road, same problem
I see what you are saying but the core engine will be fully recon'd as i intend on stripping the engine down myself, having the machining work done then build it back up with new Bearings, pistons and everything else that is needed to rebuild the engine then swap the two engines over once its done.
As re-guards the fan i understand that the fan sits close to the power steer box so once the engine is in place and if there is enough on the blades i will look at trimming them down to suite, or it mite be a long shot but try and find out if there is another ( smaller ) fan out there with the same fitting at the tdi fan or if not fit an electric fan
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I would agree with Nick - although in a less 'paving slab to the face' way.
What you have now is simple and easy - you want to modify it to not simple and easy
And in the process reducing the value of the vehicle by a small percentage
What are the other issues with the engine?
Originally the 90 was a 2.5td which in the past has had a defender 200tdi put in it that was in it when i bought the 90 two years ago and since then i have done a rolling restoration on it, referb'd the axles, replaced the chassis with a galv chassis a couple of months ago and with the engine having the issue with the timing case which i have temp fixed as the power steer pump kept on coming loose and showing signs of having a bit of back pressure i thought i would get the engine done but with needing the vehicle on the road the easiest way for me is to buy another engine and do that one up and swap them over but i really do prefer the disco look, so whilst i am at it the disco engine would have everything i need
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I don't think, Well I know you can;t, use a 200Tdi radiator on a 300Tdi unless you use the 300Tdi rad or seriously modify the bottom hose pipework
Yeah i understand with the 300 rad and hoses but the 300 into a defender idea is wearing off atm and trying to get my head round the def 200 to disco 200 idea
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That's insane, to do all that just for small differences in appearance, especially when it means you can no longer use the proper fan and have to bugger about with the exhaust down pipe.
I don't have a disco to look at but with the disco 200 engine in a defender running a 200tdi rad and intercooler and more or less being the same chassis and engine mounts as a disco 200 the engine would end up in the same place as it would in a disco surely, granted may differ if using a 300 as i don't know, and i would have a new recon'd engine aswell
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Can the Defender timing case not be repaired? Most machine shops could look at it and give you a price, which will be less than the cost of all the parts you'd need for a conversion.
It could be but i really want the disco look, i could buy all the disco dressings to put on this engine but i would still need the 90 on the road to transport all the bits to the re-manufacturer's and back so buying another engine works better for me
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Of the two the 200 is the better engine - not by much but it is that bit better
What is wrong with your defender engine?
Its got a smashed / repaired timing case it was like that when i bought it but i repaired it but really needs a better timing case and the front oil seal is now leaking quite bad, i no the oil seal can be done but as i don't know the history of this engine and have had a couple of other issues with it aswell i have decided to buy another engine as i need to keep the 90 on the road whilst the other engine is being done
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As I've said before.... Convert your Disco 200 engine into a Defender 200 engine by swapping the timing case over, the manifolds and turbo....
The defender 200 fits your engine bay perfectly, using factory parts.
If your not confident doing that then I'd seriously question an engine conversion.
As reguard's the 200 the only reason i want to go the disco route is because i prefer the disco look and with the 300 now i have found a sorce for the engine mounts its just made sorceing an engine easier the rest of the work fitting the 300 in is pretty easy as most stuff is readily available.
But it depends on what engine i end up with as i am not mythered if its a disco 200 or a 300
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Do you mean the potentiometer on top of the throttle spindle? If so, that's the EGR input (signals the EGR open or closed); just leave it disconnected or remove it completely. If you mean near the back, over the fuel solenoid, I think it's called EDC and is the bit that corresponds to the "spider" on the heater blower that is connected to the immobiliser. You can swap it out for a regular solenoid setup.
Sounds like its the potentiometer on top of the throttle spindle then i am looking at
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I am not sure what it is but on most of the 300's i have seen there is a black plug on a bracket next to the diaphram head on the injection pump will that cause a problem or is it a matter of just disconnecting it, i am awere of not using an engine from an auto
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The radiator cold outlet is on the same side as the hot inlet on the 300, so you'd need to either play about with making hoses fit or replace the rad, but given that the engine would still be aft in the 200 position, 300 pipes will probably not reach. You'll have the same fun with the intercooler piping, but that'd be true of using the Discovery 200 too.
Ok i am running a 300 intercooler with defender 200 pipes atm the bottom intercooler pipe just about fits but as you say new pipes would be needed for that, rad hoses arn't a problem as i was going to go silicon anyway so new rad needed, anything else
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Hi guys
As you may know i am looking at replacing my defender 200tdi engine for a recon'd disco 200tdi engine but i have just seen on the Bay of E that Steve Parker's do a defender 300tdi to 4 cylinder engine mount conversion kit ok its 100 quid but i am not bothered about that as i can't weld anyway and also noticed that 300's are easier to get hold of aswell.
So if i decide to go down this route instead, as reguards fitting a recon'd 300tdi in and mine currently being a defender 200tdi engine aswell as needing a 300tdi front down pipe and getting the wiring sorted for the alternator is there anything else i would need, engine mounts and front pipe is all i can think of, can anyone help on this please
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If the crank had dropped surely you would have a worn out set of main bearings and a lot more problems than just a leaking front crank seal?
Yeah you mite be right but i have had so many issues with this engine over the past two years i have owned the vehicle the main one is with the engine already fitted to the 90 before i bought it was i don't know if the engine was originally from a crashed vehicle or wether the timing case has been damaged at some point in its life but the timing case had been damaged where the two lower power steer pump bracket bolts hold the bracket onto the timing case and although i have sorted that problem out i am frightened to undo it all again and end up with a bigger problem as i can't drill the holes out any more than they are now, needs a better timing case really but they are like rocking horse poop to get hold of so think doing it this way will be better + i don't want to have the 90 off the road as i will need it to collect the disco engine and transport bits to and from the engine re-manufacturers, then decide what to do with the old engine once the new engine is in, fix, break or sell on
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I have that sort of stay on mine. It's a bit of a nuisance, to be honest - it would be fine in most cases, but with a spare wheel, pioneer tools and Noise Killer sound proofing on the underside, the bonnet is heavy, and leaning in to unclip the middle of the prop (or reclip it when lowering the bonnet) while holding the bonnet up, having to lean in past the bull bar is a little awkward. If I had a plain bonnet, I'd use the thinner prop that stows flay across the slam panel, as used on TDCIs. I'd be interested to see whether I could fit the old scissor type to my engine bay (fairly non-standard, so not easy to be sure) as it'd be easier to use than the early solid prop.
One word of warning with the new type prop; if wind lifts the bonnet, the hook at the top f the prop can come out of the slot very easily, allowing the bonnet to be slammed against the windscreen or drop closed. I found that out the hard way with our TDCI, needing a dent repair guy to sort the dents along the back of the bonnet bulge made by the wiper arms.
Yeah i did think of fitting a gas strut but if i needed to remove the bonnet the strut would be a pain when undoing and refitting
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Why will it foul the rad? Mines nowhere near the crossmember, and it's only even remotely near the rad because I've moved it further back
Like your bonnet stay i have just removed mine as for some reason when we was rear ended last year the bonnet stay had doubled over on its self and took us ages to undo the bonnet, i straightened it out but its never been the same since so I have been using a bungie strap for now then saw this pic and realized I had a length of threaded bar in the garage and tried it in the same position as yours and it works a treat
90 200TDI - 300TDI Conversion
in Defender Forum (1983 - 2016)
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Once I have got the series 2a stripped and the old chassis cut up awaiting the scrapman to collect I can make a start on checking the disco engine over to see if it has been recond and if everything is ok I will replace all the gaskets and stuff ready for it to go into the 90 whilst we wait for the new 2a chassis to arrive