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doesn't work using a step down. Been tried by Mark who has 4 Ambulances. We've spent hours and hours testing. The inrush on the motor and constant load means the dropper would need to be huge and quite expensive ! He paid me to get a solution and i did. Get another gates motor. We swapped over the housings and it works. even the 24gates motor is hard to get. The 24v and 12v are different mounting for some reason and land rover used the 12v housing on 24v motors.

nah its correct. Not directional so can go either way. Just need to find the impeller. Part Numbers and a link to the motor. There are some changes needed to the case but you can use the old case if you rip the new one apart. https://www.thhs.co.uk/transport-heating-and-hose-supplies/product/1056-motor-to-mp5620hw2-motor-mp5620hw2af-5892 Gate DC Direct Current Motor 24V Verison Part No: J1513 MP 5620/HW2

3D printer and a design and i can get one made. You're probably right about the motors and polarity but IIRC the motor is sold as CW rotation. So why if you can just switch the leads. Off to do some more google.... I would say the impeller is a standard size anyhow so i bet i can get one. Problem is my truck is in South Africa where things are a million times harder to get. They don't have web sites so you need to call many many stupids to get to someone who understands what the fook you are on about. I need to decide if i'm doing this before i go back.....if they ever let me go back !

Thanks. That's sort of what i thought. The video mentioned has given me many pointers. Problem is i'm 24v so getting a motor is going to be tricky. I've sourced RHD replacements before for a job for another owner but a LHD will be even harder to find. I will probably be calling the manufacture. looks like the impeller is other way round but thats least of my worries.

Thanks. I watch his stuff and i've not seen it. Off to have a look. The impeller certainly looks the other way so i'm going that it spins the other way but hopefully he can answer it 100%

Hi, i know there are some differences in the housing etc but do the motors spin the other way or is it only the impeller that's the opposite way round? Or maybe not even that? Tricky question possibly.

there are two types of Tensioner depending on engine also.....just a note....but i think the new one is compatable.

if i recall its very easy to tighten that pully nut onto the stud and not have the pully sit in the right place. The lip on the back of the idler needs to fit in the hole on the plate on the tensioner. Looks like you have it askew to me.

what you using Redline MTL....

Its not always hot in Africa you know.....it snowed in March quite a bit. Now i'm just singing the Band Aid song in my head. I have a cooler and a gauge and i have asked the Africans and get no good coherent answers. Indeed i'm not sure many of them know anything about Land Rovers at all! Other than they take it to a garage. There are a couple of good knowledgeable guys but to be honest I still know more than they do on most stuff. There is an oil on one of the garages/oil companies oil finders i wouldn't put in a transfer box let alone my gearbox. Even Castrol says refer to technical and many people put in Bot402 which is completely the wrong measured viscosity.The main importers or the entire country (all vendors) in Dakar offered to import me 20 liters and had only one brand they could see on their system as comparable. We are spoiled rotten in the UK with options. Many of the oils are not available in SA as they've not been certified by SABS. Recently i went to a specialist land rover garage (one of the biggest independants) and said i need my boost pressure measuring and he went and got the diagnostic PC expecting to plug in. This is their head guy who's been there 20 odd years ! I got myself a gauge off Ebay after I re-educated them and borrowed one of theirs they had in the cupboard and found it did the trick. My electronic pressure gauge measures oil pressure. They weren't even sure where to connect the boost gauge ! Anyhoo.....oils is no oils as you say (thats a thread on another group). With MTF i get a notchy second on cold mornings which is normal as its thicker than it should be in the cold. I always pre warm/mix the Gearbox and Trans (in neutral on trans) if its -5c or below. Not for long just to get some of the oil over everything. The pump in a R380 is **** as you know. This thread actually asked what people thought of the MOD change interval but seems to be focused on the lack of oil in Africa which is fine by me but I've still not found any that's suitable unless its in a 20 liter can. Not forgetting i've been puzzled by this issue since 2011 when i first arrived.I've been to 76 countries on only found MTF94 in like 4 of them. There is only one oil on Texaco's compatibility matrix and that's Morris Lodexol MTF however that list is 2007 IIRC. We also need to remember the MTF94 specification was amended in January this year. Nobody has asked why but i'm pretty sure It was to improve notchy gear on cold mornings. I'll take some of that. I think i will be putting 3litres of fully synthetic in my suitcase and hope nobody barks at me.

There are fully synthetic versions but question is what to use instead......also what change interval ?

I'm flying back and might risk it in the suitcase.....

Nope. Not really since 2012....but you could then it was just a RPITA but now impossible.

Is should also say that when i find something suitable is usually only available in 20 bloody litres !!!!

nobody has it as SABS (South Africa standards body) never approved it. They want to approve every oil thats sold and they are, as with all down in SA, incompetent. its never been available and when i ask people here i get very woolly answers about what they use. Really confused crappy answers.

its impossible to get now in Africa and Australia i'm told. If this is going to continue i'd ask why the hell they've reformulated it ? The new spec is different in all that matters. Not excessively different but still.... OLD MTF94 is 10.5 and 53 and 76000 (Thicker) NEW MTF94 is 8.9 and 47 and 25000 (Thinner) SYNTRANS Z 75W80 is 9.1 and 55 and 20000 (In-between but better in cold) SYNTRANS VFE 75W80 is 8.1 and 40 and 14000 (Very thin almost to DII levels) MORRIS ATF DII is 7.1 and 35.8 with no -40c figure as you'd expect. COMMA MAVATF is 6.4 and 33 with no -40c figure as you'd expect. Smith&Allen is 10.5 and 53 with no -40c figure....which is cheaky. Close to the original spec though....

i'd not feel confident in doing that. Sounds like witchcraft....LOL

this is the one you can get all over but you can see it says not suitable. http://www.lubs-products-database.total.com/gallery/ORIGINALS/visuels/22500/22916 """"Not suitable when a fluid type FORD M2C-33F or G is required.""""

I typed a really long thing on my phone which didn't post 😡 Anyhow. You would think ATF is the thing but its not. The countries with most Auto boxes only have incompatible ATF with modified friction and limited slip. The most widely available ATF in Africa isn't suitable. It says not to use in boxes requiring M2C33 F or G which the R380 does technically as that is IID. So i've looked at 80 or so makes or oil but as as you know lost a gearbox to peoples recommended oil and then lost another to recommended oils but we decided, Dave and me, that it was more likely a faulty bearing as i had Redline MTL in for only a few 1000 and then Mini MTF after that. It was however -20c many nights but this wasn't evident in the mornings with a standard notchy second. It was fine so we put it down to an early life fail. I rebuilt it on someones garage floor and it was fine although not rebuilt to spec. Not sure what oil i got for that rebuild i think it was specially ordered MTF. You have to understand i do an Engine oil change every month or so. I cannot be doing the gearbox every time although i run currently under what i thought was the interval which the MOD think is much much much longer. And so the question about 90K Some people in Australia use BOT402 but its horrible. Motul 300 Gear is also horrible. Too thick both of them. Most of the Castrol ones are horrible. Theres a Revenol one in SA thats approved but its impossible to get. I will carry on once i've gathered my thoughts.....LOL

Exactly which one do you think out of the 10 or so variations ? Not many of which are available in Africa but i will look. The V-Fe is too thin really as thats the one punted in Europe. Syntrans Z might work and is a better match but only Australia i think then there are the other variations. The Z varient is also much thinner a cold temps than most so thats a plus. Possible as they know it needs to survive Australian nights.

As for the Smith and Allan i want a fully synthetic so i can go long on the changes as it so hard to get. That is also impossible to get outside UK. I was more interested in the change interval quoted Nothing anyone will mention on here is available in Africa. There are hundereds of internet opinions on various things. People saying i've used this and that and unless its MTF94 i'm not interested. You might recall these opinions costing me two gear boxes in the USA. At the moment i have this LODEXOL MTF 75W-80 which is Texaco approved as a replacement. I have their compatibility list. Also MTF94 has been reformulated in January this year by Taxaco/Chevron. The specs being quite different but not excessively. Its thinner, slightly which might be something to do with the notchy second at cold temps. Its not quite as thin as DexIID though. I have the spec for this but cannot fathom where to get it ! The MG Rover stuff is what i'm going for and this is the BMW Long Life 2 fully synthetic MTF94 which i have not yet found the datasheet for. Its available from some Landy Shops. BMW 83 22 0 403 247 The BMW stuff is fully synthetic so will be VERY shear stable.

Africa at the moment. The problem is getting it ! I was more confused about the change interval......

not really a suitable replacement but semi compatible.

Having Googled for probably 100 hours or more over the years on this topic and coming back over the same old posts over and over i still have trouble finding this liquid in anywhere else but the UK. All that said what do you think to this? """"Introduction of MTF94 oil for R380 gearbox, suitable for 96,000 miles/5 years service."""" Thats from General Instruction Number 11 in one of the MOD Technical Manuals. Link here. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/411647/20150311_FOI2015_02277_Annex_A_landrover_AESP_response.pdf Now considering how bloody hard it is to get this would give me a lot longer to find something and stick it in the oil cans i carry around for just this eventuality. So does this HUGE mileage bare any correlation to the civvies instruction?

Do you have a web site?